recommend me an mp3 player?

ha i was just going over the product features and totally missed another crazy thing i've never used. you can schedule it to record radio at a specific time.

http://www.cowonglobal.com/product/product_i7_feature.php

from the i7 page:
OS
- Microsoft Windows 98/98se/ME/2000/XP (NT not supported)
- MAC OS 10.X (data transfer only)
- Linux kernel v2.2 or higher (data transfer only)

i don't know exactly what they mean by "data transfer only" but i assume if you're using it with linux it will work fine for mac.

I'm guessing that the iPod probably doesn't actually have worse failure rates than any other mp3 player. Abbott, some of the ones that you can "just drag files onto" should work.

The i7 has programs that let you encode video files for it's small screen and do things like make animated wallpaper, so I assume that's what the data transfer only means.

hm see, as long as it has a good preamp, i'm fine with buying an ext mic
xposts lala

i7 also has way better battery life than the ipod

im getting one, you guys convinced me!

and the idea of having to use iTunes puts me off

lots of media sw supports ipod, drag and drop even, i just have itunes.exe in case i need to do the 'restore' thing to my wife's ipod (i have a little zen). less features + more expensive does the ipod in. i7 seems cool.

Flash based mp3 players are for housewives and little girls

and old ladies

and sometimes me

i'm pretty into the idea of the H2 zoom
tho btw
Please note: The Zoom H2 will not mount as a USB Drive on MAC OS X 10.5.0 Leopard unless you update to H2 Firmware version 1.2 or higher.

i ordered the 8gb i7 :D

awww yeah, i still use my old irivers too! H10 with 20gb (rockbox added of course), and ifp-799 with 1gb and fm radio!

i am considering getting something new though, because i care less about ogg than i did 5 years ago (my entire music collection that i ripped to ogg got deleted and i haven't been bothered to redo it, i might just go lame vbr...), although i do care about FLAC because some stuff i've only got in FLAC format. also, i want to be able to play my completely legal divx files so i gotta figure that out. without transcoding them, too, i'd like to add. any tips? my friend HATED his archos, it broke days after getting it, then the replacement broke days later or something.

i have heard good tihngs abt the sansa view players, though... and what was that other one i wanted for a while? big in china, unknown here... mizun or something?

meizu!

$50 new:

http://www.giiks.com/images/ifa/sandisk-sansa-clip-01.jpg

(only 1GB, 2GB and 4GB versions though)

i have only great things to say about the sansa. plug it in, drag and drop.

The Cowon iAudio 7 looks great, but it's very expensive.

cheaper than an ipod though!

Ah, I thought iPods had got cheaper than they actually still are. I don't think the iAudio is cheaper, at least not on amazon.co.uk, but the prices for 8GB versions are roughly comparable now that I look a little closer. I think I was initially aghast at the over-£200 prices for the 16GB iAudios I was seeing.

> because some stuff i've only got in FLAC format

does not compute. you do realise you can convert flacs to anything else, don't you, and because it's lossless then it'll be as good as ripping it to mp3 or whatever directly?

newer versions of oggenc can even read flacs as input and copy all the tags across to the new file.

my 20G iaudio m5 played ogg and flacs nicely. but the battery died within 15 months. now using a 1G atmt xseven with a 2G micro sd card. is tiny, plays oggs but takes forever to start up (because, i think, the 2G card is very slow). there also seems to be a 500 file limit. and it's discontinued afaict.

(oh, they've updated it. now plays videos as well and is a third the price. but mp3 and wma only
http://www.amazon.co.uk/ATMT-V-PLAY-MP4-PLAYER-EXPANDABLE/dp/B000PPJMCM/ref=pd_sbs_ce_img_5
)

i guess sandisk might have some updates for its flash players later this year:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/06/sandisk_43_nanometer_nand_flash

i have been told ipods can't do this but maybe i've been told wrong - i haven't looked into it

jon's right - just set to manually manage in itunes.

my 80BG ipod was $227 on sale. i love it. hoping it lasts as long as its predecessor, a 3rd gen 20GB which gave 4 years of faultless service.

so far i <3 my iaudio, sounds better than any ipod (and yes plays my .OGGs)

Dude, graphic eq "does not sound better"

Although you might get more volume out of them, which does sound better

I use a Sandisk Sansa e250. Bought it refurbed for $65.

Does the job. no itunes needed.

my drag & drop sony NWZ-A818 sounds fantastic. especially with my atrio headphones.

I bet you guys couldn't tell the difference in a blind test!

Bet I couldn't either!

well i never had an ipod where i could adjust the eq settings. i dont know if the newer ones have these. i did have an ipod that i couldn't use with my old mac because i couldn't get the newest itunes without upgrading my OS, which meant my computer didn't even recognize the ipod. that is so ridiculous. this just plugs in and shows up as a usb device and i don't even have to bother with itunes bullshit, just drag the files in. this is what an mp3 player should be IMO, not some fancy white little bitch.

i've got a peeve about the newer ipods. they've got this kind of screensaver album art collage goin on, right? cool! but there's no way to actually LISTEN to one of these albums you're seeing the artwork of, short of exiting whatever screen you're on and digging down through all your mp3s. i've got loads of albums and singles whose covers i barely recognize; most of the time i don't even know what album is prancing around on the screensaver thingie but i'm often like "whoa what's that? i want to listen to that!" but there's no way to tell!

okay that graf was atrocious. but new, confusing technology requires new, confusing paragraphs.

btw is there any way of turning OFF the half-screen thing, and have menu options stretch all the way across the screen?

I am so mad at Apple right now - I want a small flash mp3 player and will probably get the 4GB nano (do not want a shuffle because they have no screen, wtf?), but it seems obscene to charge a third of the price of the entire product for the 2-year warranty. It's making me try to calculate how mad at myself I'll be if it breaks in a year and a half - mad enough to justify the $40 warranty?

Alternately, anyone know of one that's cheaper and Mac compatible to the extent of being able to play whatever format itunes changes your music to? Unfortunately all my music is there.

Maria I've recommended the Sansa Clip many times on this thread but I don't know what format you mean when you say "whatever format itunes changes your music to". If you search for Sansa Clip, the Sandisk website will give you all the specifications.

maria, the cowon iaudio that i just got was about $50 cheaper than the comparable nano (the 8 gb). the 4 gb one is about $115? i think it only has a 1 year warranty. the screen is much smaller than the nano's, so if you want to use it mainly for watching videos the ipod may be better.

itunes only plays mp3s, which im sure works with any player. just make sure it is compatible with your OS.

itunes only plays mp3s

Uh?

itunes plays quite a bit more than just mp3s!

like what?! i mean you can play .ogg and .wma using plug-ins

I actually had an earlier, smaller model of the Sansa player before my PC died and I got a Mac, it synced through Windows Media Player (there's a version for Mac, but it only plays .wma!). Regular Windows Media Player can play mp3s from CDs, but not ones from my itunes library, so I had to re-import the CDs into a different location to update the player. It seems that everything in itunes gets imported and automatically converted to "protected AAC," I guess that's the problematic format?

My worry about the cowon iaudio is that it says "data transfer only," and I do not know what it means, so if it caused problems I wouldn't know why. I will have to look more into this.

Itunes plays pretty much anything. Or, at least, will convert pretty much anything to an mp3.

well i never had an ipod where i could adjust the eq settings. i dont know if the newer ones have these.

All of them can.

i did have an ipod that i couldn't use with my old mac because i couldn't get the newest itunes without upgrading my OS,

http://thepiratebay.org/

i want it

though the zooms are cheaper and h4 has xlr inputs

i know these are not mp3 players
i need to make a bunch of sound-related purchases (but i won't post like pics of amps here or anything)

kingfish, how's that sansa holding up? I'm seeing refurbs for under $30 like http://www.buy.com/prod/sandisk-sansa-e250-2gb-mp3-player-fm-tuner-fm-on-the-fly-recording/q/loc/111/205562657.html

I was looking for something with a card slot and a fm tuner. is the microphone any good?

I am happy with my 2GB Zen Stone. It works. I am easily pleased.

Ooops. I do not mean to imply it has an FM tuner or card slot. I was speaking in a more general way.

These mammoth micro sd cards are really only feasible for folder based browsing rather than tag database browsing IME. I haven’t had any players that could index that volume of material. But it doesn’t matter for me because I’m all about navigate to album folder and play it

That's been my experience. Does the Walkman allow you to navigate via folder?

I was hoping that Hidizs ap80 would be covered by warranty since I've only had it two months. Technically it is, but that involves me paying to ship the player to China, lying about the value on customs paperwork and hoping that it doesn't get hung up in Chinese customs, hoping that Hidiz doesn't decide that the unit is malfunctioning because of my fault, then them fixing it and sending it back. I'm guessing it will cost around $30 to send something to China and it just seems like throwing good money after bad.

I'm on the fence about it, I hate being without my music for any length of time and I am compelled to say fuck it and get a walkman.

My Walkman experience was v v good, until I dropped it in a lake. I recommend you try to avoid doing that.

I use mediamonkey on my android and it detects + indexes the music on my SD card just fine, no need to browse by folder.

But yes Walkman can do folder navigation

my mother's had a Samsung mp3 player since the dawn of time, one of these with a slide out speaker. it's as chunky as all hell (sliding the speaker out is quite satisfying though)

https://cdn.pocket-lint.com/r/s/970x/assets/images/68981-gadgets-review-samsung-yp-k5-mp3-player-image1-iqbfmtno2l.jpg

and she was asking me to refresh the song collection on it recently, but I'm 100 miles away which makes that difficult. so i bought a new one, with more than 2gb of memory in it but it has interesting quirks:

off button just turns the screen off, keeps playing the songs. you have to pause it first.

it switches between artist, album and track name whilst playing, only it uses the filename for track name rather than the tag. and if that filename is too long it Scrolls slowly and doesn't display the other two bits of info.

you can list by artist or album but it truncates the name seemingly at random - Altered Imag, Augustus Pab (other names are much longer and display in full)

folder view displays directory names in full, which would be nicer but they aren't sorted.

(it's an agptec h9, nice purple colour, and was chosen mostly for the memory and the fact it plays oggs, which saves me having to transcode everything for her)

this thing is annoying.

i have seen *one* image show up when playing a track. the directory has a file in it called 'folder.jpg' so i copy all the 'cover.jpg' files that i've already added to 'folder.jpg' and... nothing. still only that one album showing an image.

and i wonder if it's expecting something other than a TITLE tag for the song name? ARTIST and ALBUM both seem ok.

renamed the working 'folder.jpg' and it stopped showing. renamed it back and it stopped working 8(

some others are now showing though. but the separate 'image viewer' fails to display about 50% of the covers - 'unsupported file format' - despite them all being seemingly identical (the image viewer helpfully doesn't show the directory name whilst viewing, only the filename which is always cover.jpg or folder.jpg)

a bit of investigating using two bowie covers, one of which showed and one whihc didn't suggested that the non-working version was interlaced and the working one wasn't. converting the image to bmp and back to jpg got rid of that so that's something to do today... (i've been collecting images for the raspberry pi jukebox so this won't be too much work)

oo chonky. i can smell the pixels