X Factor 2007, painful showoffs, blah blah blah

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I want Alisha's dress.

V, Saturday, 3 November 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

jed otm re this year's quality. there's nothing to get upset or hot under the collar about. none can sing.

whatever, Saturday, 3 November 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Rhydian should win, the rest are just massively inconsequential.

Dom Passantino, Saturday, 3 November 2007 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link

I think it's between Rhydian [big voice, different] and Beverley [big voice, conventional]. The question for me is who will be the third act in the final, and I think that'll be between Niki or Alisha.

snoball, Saturday, 3 November 2007 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link

That one guy from Futureproof is just frightening.

G00blar, Saturday, 3 November 2007 21:46 (sixteen years ago) link

who, chucky?

jed_, Sunday, 4 November 2007 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I liked the one who looked like Will Young :(

I think Simon needs to tone down the campiness of Hope...their performance was much more Spice Girls than Girls Aloud, which is more the direction I assume they'd want to go for?

musically, Sunday, 4 November 2007 05:30 (sixteen years ago) link

i think hope are extremely poor, the worst of a bad bunch. futureprroof were better. also, yeah, i thought all of them bar chucky were cute. all the male talent is gone from the competition since daniel went last week too... as i said i can't get too sad about any departure considering how poor most of them are. Rhydian last night was insane, magnificent, terrifying, deluded and, vocally, completely talentless. him to win.

jed_, Sunday, 4 November 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Charlie Brooker described Andy's singing as having all the emotion of a graphic designer choosing a typeface from a drop-down menu. I think that applies to pretty much all of them.

nate woolls, Sunday, 4 November 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

if you had any real talent, you wouldn't go on one of these shows in the first place.

pc user, Sunday, 4 November 2007 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link

that rhydian fella is um...interesting i 'spose.

pc user, Sunday, 4 November 2007 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link

pc user, i agree with you for the most part but for the fact that Leona Lewis had and still has a whole lot of real talent. i think she's fantastic.

jed_, Sunday, 4 November 2007 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Simon Cowell was interviewed on Jonathan Ross's chat show last year and he was asked what he would do if a young Marilyn Manson [who was also a guest that week] turned up to an X Factor audition. Cowell's answer was that Manson wouldn't even audition, because he's too talented. Which reveals quite a bit about Cowell's thinking on the kind of acts they do get. Leona Lewis is a bit of an exception, but XF isn't about finding the next Elvis or even the next Robbie Williams.

snoball, Sunday, 4 November 2007 16:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Cowell's answer was that Manson wouldn't even audition, because he's too talented. Which reveals quite a bit about Cowell's thinking on the kind of acts they do getcomplete fucking cluelessness.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 4 November 2007 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Leona being an exception:

I got the impression that there was a big buzz last year in the line of"hey, there's someone actually good on here!" from some serious people.

Mark G, Sunday, 4 November 2007 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Never underestimate the working class white teenage lad with moderate good looks, dark hair, a regional accent, no discernable personality and no remarkable qualities whatsoever. I should have learned this from Shane Ward/Liam BB8/Anthony BB6.

V, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

I know the obvious expanation is teenage girls, but I was a teenage girl a couple of years ago and I still don't get it.

V, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Although, lol @ the digital spy forums

V, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Louis Walsh to fuck off with the "Scotland needs to vote for Leon" "Wales needs to vote for Rhydian" leading Simon to plead for England to vote for brother and sister mentalists. ARE THESE PEOPLE INSANE? Yes, I'm going to vote for bland boring average dude just because he was born in the same country as me...oh wait, no I'm not BECAUSE HE'S SHITE.

Rhydian will sell bucketloads more albums anyway, and Same Difference will do children's telly forever.

Also, Kylie's outfit when duetting with Leon = several different kinds of EEWWWWWWWW.

ailsa, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link

leon is rub. rhydian's got a long, long career ahead of him. the best man did not win, but leon will be a cross between g gates and s brookstein.

jeez.

CharlieNo4, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

As Shayne Ward's biggest fan on ILX, I must protest; he is miles and miles better than Leon.

musically, Monday, 17 December 2007 02:11 (sixteen years ago) link

And I think while Leon winning is a travesty, hopefully Rhydian will be freed up to become a theatre star, which really seems like the right fit for him.

musically, Monday, 17 December 2007 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I just googled to see Kylie's EWWWWW outfit and unearthed this gem of a youtube comment:


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Anyone else noticed that Danni is the better looking sister? In fact I think she is one of the most beautiful women on the planet. And an arse like two wet plums in a brown paper bag.

onimo, Monday, 17 December 2007 09:46 (sixteen years ago) link

this was the worst contest yet, surely. rhydian was terrible. leon -- rubbish more like.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 17 December 2007 09:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'd picked Leon as the winner a while ago. Should have put some dosh on it really.

OK, controversy time:

THE JUDGES KNEW WHO WAS THE WINNER BEFORE THE ANNOUNCEMENT!

1) After Rhyd's last song, all the judges were very "well, you've been world class thanks for entertaining us, you've been wonderful and if this is the last time we're seeing you, you're a star for sure" to Rhydian's face going "ah thanks you guys, it's been a pleasure, um, hang on what do you mean? umm, WTF!!!???"

2) Simon's final comment on his song basically went "Well, Leon... um ahem oops RHYDIAN!!"

Oh, and it only just struck me, Leona to Leon... Hmmm...

Having said all that, Rhydian's duet with Car Alarm woman was hid, whereas Leon's w/ Kylie was exactly right.

OK, go.

Mark G, Monday, 17 December 2007 10:11 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm with Mark on the "the judges knew" thing - Simon's "Freudian slip" was odd, and the marked difference of their final comments to Rhydian considering the rest of the time they'd been on about how he was surely going to win because he was brilliant.

I would never EVER tire of slapping Louis Walsh, btw. What a horrible little man, and so ungracious.

ailsa, Monday, 17 December 2007 10:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Did anyone else think Simon could have tried to be just a little bit genuine when sending off Same Difference? He kept on saying, "they're just really nice kids" and "they are what they are." I mean, it 's obvious he didn't really think it was a shame for them not to win, but couldn't he have at least said something nice that sounded like he actually worked with them over a period of months? i.e. "no one worked harder to be here tonight than these guys" (actually true, I think).

G00blar, Monday, 17 December 2007 11:51 (sixteen years ago) link

The word is that Rhydian voters had difficulty getting anything other than an engaged tone when they tried to ring in and vote for him.

In truth it was always going to be Leon - a harmless, unremarkable, malleable teenage white boy who isn't going to frighten the grannies, will do as he's told and be forgotten after one album of listless cover versions which will go in at number one and be out of the charts and into the charity shops within a month.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 17 December 2007 12:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, but he still sounded better next to Louis who couldn't actually find anything nice to say about them "you do what you do and obviously some people like it the cloth-eared idiots" = he did exactly the same to the McDonald Brothers last year and they were his band who got further than his beloved Eton Road.

xpost to G00blar

Same Difference have a future in kids telly, I'm sure of it. I can't believe they didn't make more of them, tbh, tailoring themselves to the kiddie market is a surefire way of making money because I would have thought that was the age band that's more likely to actually spend money and own physical copies of CDs and associated merchandising.

ailsa, Monday, 17 December 2007 12:07 (sixteen years ago) link

What a shame that ITV doesn't make kids' telly any more so that Same Difference could go on it.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 17 December 2007 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Well they didn't win, so presumably their only remaining contractual obligation is the X Factor tour next year? Same for Rhydian.

snoball, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Sam and Mark (it's bad when you can't even come second to Michelle McManus) got jobs with the BBC.

onimo, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

it's bad when you can't even come second to Michelle McManus
Oh wait one of them did, I had them as 3rd and 4th in my head.

onimo, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

When's Michelle McManus's triumphant chart return as gaypop friendly disco diva, anyway?

Dom Passantino, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Given that Steve Brookstein's been making some pretty good records under the pseudonym of "Burial," I guess anything's possible.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 17 December 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

See, here's the thing:

When Will Young beat GGates, the judges had already placed their troth w/ Gareth. So, after having basically treated as Second by his new boss, it didn't take too long for him to not want Simon's control.

Since then, there's been paranoia on Simon's part about setting his stall against the winner.

Witness: When the lads group and the girls group were 1-2 in favour of the girls, Simon had a vote to go. If he had voted the lads, he could have potentially lost them when it came to the tiebreaker i.e. the phone-in votes. That's why he *had* to vote for "Hope".

Also, why all through the final show, he was the same vaguely supportive commentator all the way. And the lack of "OK judges, who do you think is tonights winner" type question *after* all the performances.

After all, why piss on your own meal ticket?

(thread enz)

Mark G, Monday, 17 December 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't quite see what long term profits he's going to establish from a succession of well scrubbed, docile lads who'll sell for a month or two and then vanish, apart from the fact that he'll save lots of money from not having to hire songwriters since they'll all be forced to do cover versions. But then I don't think he really gets the point of music.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 17 December 2007 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Save money? With cover versions he has to pay the publishers. With "new songs" he can *be* the publisher and take his cut.

Mark G, Monday, 17 December 2007 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link

But these acts aren't going to make long term profits full stop, so Cowell may as well just focus on being a "media celebrity" and not waste any time/money trying to be a recording mogul. Or just live off those Il Divo coinages.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 17 December 2007 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Or, more likely, his Westlife residuals.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 17 December 2007 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd guess record sales aren't the most important moneyspinner in Cowell's portfolio. And you only need 12 months of sales out of some guy if you're going to replace him next year.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 17 December 2007 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry, yeah, what Dom said. The illusion of being a recording mogul props up all the other bullshit tho.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 17 December 2007 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I read his autobiography, (it was a cheap paperback), it was shockingly wrong in some places, to the extent where I thought "he's either winning by dumb lick, or he's giving nothing away"

e.g. one point where he says he'd have signed any songwriter that came to him and offered "Sorry seems to be the hardest word" and/or "Yesterday", without noticing that neither of those songs were exactly early in the respective songwriter's careers.

Mark G, Monday, 17 December 2007 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Having just heard the single, all I can think is that Leon IS Pat Kane. They've also given him Shayne Ward's set from 'That's My Goal'. And his moves. It's weird just how uncertain his voice sounds - it's a bit more characterful than Shayne, certainly, but by hell the kid sounds nervous.

William Bloody Swygart, Monday, 17 December 2007 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, Pat Kane, good call!

Will he withdraw his LAYYBOURGH!!!

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 09:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Probably not allowed under Cowell's 19th century workhouse contract.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 11:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Next year I want to see Malcolm McLaren on the judging panel.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 11:07 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

Should I be embarrassed to say that I want to take Cheryl Cole and wrap her up in a soft tortilla and just eat her up?

G00blar, Saturday, 30 August 2008 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I suppose I'm embarrassed enough to not start a new thread.

G00blar, Saturday, 30 August 2008 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link

I NEED A PICTURE.

aimurchie, Saturday, 30 August 2008 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link

hey I agree with everything Marcello said!

Manchego Bay (G00blar), Monday, 15 December 2008 10:59 (fifteen years ago) link

beyonce and alexandra facing each other and hollering "MORE THAN!" "MORE THAN!" was incredible. beyonce, generally, was incredible.

i quite liked alexandra's 'hallelujah', extraneous melismania and all, though the overegged arrangement drowned it by the end. really weird seeing it positioned as a xmas hymn thing.

But Alexandra was the right choice - much more personality and real talent than Leona, and unlike Leona's catastrophic misreading of Snow Patrol she was able to grasp and inhabit "Hallelujah"

yeah i'm still v much pro-leona but to date she has ONE good song - a modern-day classic of course, but still just the one. though to be fair i don't think anyone could have made 'run' compelling, it's such a poorly crafted piece of sludge.

hoping alexandra is given good material - don't think she'll be able to carry subpar songs - and that rachel and ruth are picked up by people who know what to do with them. hope i never have to see eoghan's face again.

lex pretend, Monday, 15 December 2008 11:24 (fifteen years ago) link

you will, every time you peel a potato...

snoball, Monday, 15 December 2008 11:25 (fifteen years ago) link

hahah!

Unfortunately the Credit Crunch has probably put paid to our ever hearing of any of the other finalists again, except maybe JLS.

The thing about Leona's "Run" - apart from it being a daft idea to begin with - is that she doesn't even bother with the last two verses which actually contain the tag to the song (if you can call it that; it's such a sloppily written song that I'm doing it undue justice) so it just becomes bland sub-"You'll Never Walk Alone"/Frog Chorus "togetherness."

Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 15 December 2008 11:32 (fifteen years ago) link

beyonce and alexandra facing each other and hollering "MORE THAN!" "MORE THAN!" was incredible.

i can't stop watching this one youtube, then when that part comes i skip right back to see it again.

it's absolutely amazing the way beyonce slinks on stage and puts her arm around alexandra then casually lifts the mike to BELT out her first line. the whole performance is my TV highlight of the year. alex has had virtually no voice training and, although she's no beyonce, obviously, she holds her own easily. she's going to be great with the right songs and the right coaching.

jed_, Monday, 15 December 2008 12:43 (fifteen years ago) link

i think Lewis and Burke should hook up for Brandy/Monica style shock and awe at some point

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Monday, 15 December 2008 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link

it's absolutely amazing the way beyonce slinks on stage and puts her arm around alexandra then casually lifts the mike to BELT out her first line

so OTM

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Monday, 15 December 2008 12:49 (fifteen years ago) link

also beyonce's "SING IT, GIRL!" <3

lex pretend, Monday, 15 December 2008 12:58 (fifteen years ago) link

<3

jed_, Monday, 15 December 2008 12:58 (fifteen years ago) link


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