this man should not even be a candidate.
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 6 August 2004 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link
And a season's a fine sample size. I think Sheff and A-Rod have "won more games for the Yankees" than any other players and are both legit MVP candidates. If they're tied in value (hey, Rod leads Sheff in VORP 46.5-46.0 today), the tiebreaker is that 3B is a more crucial position and a future HOF SS moved there for the good of all!
And neither of them have been as good as Guillen, Vlad, Tejada, and arguably Hafner or Manny. (Maybe Guillen hasn't "won more games" for Detroit than the Yankee stars have, but that's *chorus* penalizing a guy for his teammates.)
And since the Cards and Yanks will likely win their divisions by 10-15 games, there's the argument that no one star of theirs is indispensable; hence none are MVPs. But that's a bullshit argument. It'd help Bonds for the Giants to gain a playoff berth on the final weekend, of course.
Who'd rather see me & Dahlem on cable than those yutzes in Bristol?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 August 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link
sheffield's performance in the clutch has won us games, a-rod's has cost us. like it or not, fair or not, it matters.
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 6 August 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
If Sheff has won more games, it's probably more luck than skill, and bad luck for A-Rod to a large extent, but it's what they did in those situations. Billy Beane shouldn't use it to determine what player will be better in the future, but for an MVP award it's a good criteria.
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 6 August 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link
The BBWAA don't hardly look at RISP, I bet, but largely RBI for MVP and wins for Cys. (Slight deviation for Bonds recently, but that's when the other stats are elephantine.)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 August 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 August 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 6 August 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Friday, 6 August 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 August 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link
indeed, why not? i do; that's part of what i meant by "performance in the clutch".
gear post #1: my point exactlygear post #2: debating these awards is part of being a baseball fan! and it's a lot more interesting than the freaking oscars!!
doc, if you really wanna play by the rules, "styling", as you call it, is one of the very few definite criteria mvp voters are to take into consideration. (it's almost impossible to find the criteria but i'm pretty sure "conduct and character" are on there)
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 6 August 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 6 August 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link
"I'm just always under the impression that the guy with the most wins is the best pitcher.... People at ESPN are into numbers and they say, 'Well, Santana's ERA is better and Schilling had more run support.' But what's the big thing for a pitcher? Win 20 games, right? You never hear, 'I want to win the ERA title.' They want to win." --John Kruk, ESPN baseball analyst, on Cy Young winner Johan Santana (St. Paul Pioneer Press)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link
I tend to downplay my career. But being on the ballot gives me the opportunity to look back on my 16 years as a major-league pitcher and realize, hey, I had a pretty good run.
Now, if I had John Kerry's money, I might have a chance to be elected! Seriously, it's great just to be mentioned in the same breath with the other players on the ballot.
One first-time eligible player who stands out is Wade Boggs. The 12-time All-Star has 3,010 hits. That 3,000-hit plateau is a significant accomplishment. Boggs also holds the AL record with seven straight 200-hit seasons.
I faced Boggs often during my career. He came up in 1982, one year before me. He was always a tough out.
Boggs had tremendous bat control, and he would pepper that wall in Fenway Park when he was with the Red Sox.
A little-known fact about Boggs is that, for a position player, he had a pretty good knuckleball.
As a knuckleball pitcher, I could appreciate that. I remember once during a pregame situation Boggs threw the ball toward me — and it was a knuckleball. "How was that?" he asked me. He even threw two-plus innings in two career outings as a pitcher. I called him up after one of those outings and told him, "Hey, good job with your knuckleball."
Boggs was fun to play against. I wish him the best in his candidacy for the Hall of Fame. - this is the kind of insight only a former player can provide.
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 05:25 (nineteen years ago) link
However, I have direcTV and get a whole buncha regional sports nets FREE as a come-on this weekend! Hope Dodgers-Pads-A's, at least...
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, the Astros are still a longshot, but this series definetly provided some drama. If nothing else, it made clear that even if the Cardinals hang on and win the division, they're toast in the first round.
― boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 25 September 2006 02:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― maura (maura), Monday, 25 September 2006 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link
It's really funny how even Karl freakin' Ravech feels comfortable scoffing at Steve Phillips' "analysis" these days (last week: Chisox make playoffs; yesterday: Dodger veterans "step up" and win them the wild card).
(The Astros are providing a little tease, but the odds are still long. Plus Jeff Brantley is predicting Clemens pitches another meaningful game later this week, so there's the kiss of death.)
even if the Cardinals hang on and win the division, they're toast in the first round
Certainly possible, but again, there's no historical correlation between finishing badly and postseason results.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link
Phillips: *finshing Tigers ramble* blah blah Leyland blah...
Ravech: John, anything to add to that?
Kruk: *dumbfounded/irritated* Nope.
*laughter from everyone, with Phillips looking a little embarrassed and somewhat pissed*
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 September 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link
Morneau's stats with RISP this year: .323/.402/.573; .310/.429/.517 with RISP/2 out. Also hitting a reasonably-clutch .299/.343/.540 close/late. Not as sick as Jeter's, but "not clutch" my ass.
Then again, Mauer's hitting .408/.547/.653 with RISP/2 out and is Jeter's superior in almost every conceivable statistic (projected to the same # of ABs or otherwise) except steals and runs scored. (Another overlooked fact: Mauer's 3rd in the AL in intentional walks, behind Ortiz and Guerrero.)
Anyway, I digress from my original point, which is that Kruk and Brantley are idiots and also really unpleasant to look at.
― nate p. (natepatrin), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link
They're all idiots cept Tim K. And the BBTN Mets' MVP was declared to be Reyes.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Friday, 6 October 2006 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link
saw some of Mets-Cards at lunch -- who was color guy w/ high-pitched voice?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 March 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Was it Kruk?
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Thursday, 25 March 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Not unless he had MTF surgery
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 March 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I read that it was Kruk on color with a female play-by-play person.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Thursday, 25 March 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I heard it was the kid from Dwight Gooden's car. He's doing Leno tonight too.
― sanskrit, Thursday, 25 March 2010 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
This week's award goes to the knucklehead(s) who decided to have the career stats run from latest (at the top) to earliest (at the bottom).
― Illwario Alacarte (Andy K), Thursday, 22 April 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link
the new round of baseball tonight guys are soooooooo bad -- dave winfield is in contention for top 5 worst espn in-studio analysts in any sport
― artie flange (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 22 April 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link
otm
on the plus side, not wanting to give that crap attention anymore frees up a few more minutes in the day
― Nom Nom Nom Chomsky (WmC), Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
JP Rich makes me change the channel real fast.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, JP is like if one of the dudes from 'jersey shore' aged 30 years overnight and then was hired by ESPN
― artie flange (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
who is this shithead doing color on Phils-Braves? First guess was EriC Byrnes -- is it Chris Singleton?
"Carlos Ruiz is a winning player"
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
30 seconds of listening to Curt Schilling = may the Red Sox lose forever
― the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
"Is there anything more obnoxious than a bachelorette party at the ballpark?" -- ESPN announcer Matt Vasgersian during the Cards-Cubs game.— John Ourand (@Ourand_SBJ) July 20, 2018
― mookieproof, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:50 (five years ago) link
a bachelor party i suppose
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 11:07 (five years ago) link
vasgergian is Bada-rod is okay but gets repetitive and i don't really like his voicemendoza is fine but can't get a word in when a-rod keeps going on about how larry rothschild needs to go out there and calm him down
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 August 2018 13:07 (five years ago) link
Mendoza spoke at the Saberseminar this weekend, and she said her first year the producer went over her performance with her exhaustively on Monday or Tuesday. I wonder if A-Rod got the same treatment?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 August 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link
i'd like to give them something of a pass as the pace of that game was excrutiating. arod needs to be less of a motormouth and vasgergian needs to actually take the reins of the conversation sometimes.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 6 August 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link
vasgersian has a nice voice. I love A rod and mendoza, they actually like baseball which is a plus
― k3vin k., Monday, 6 August 2018 14:21 (five years ago) link
i'm sure a-rod gets the same treatment -- everything i've seen talks about how eager to learn he is. and he is pretty good considering he's never done it before
vasgergian does have a nice voice. but looool at 'don't look now, but the yankees are bringing the tying run to the plate' in the top of the ninth when the yanks were *up* three. also i don't really trust dudes who go for the meticulous unshaven look
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 August 2018 14:40 (five years ago) link