i hope we go to this place it seems pretty rad http://magiccards.info/extra/plane/planechase-2012-edition/trail-of-the-mage-rings.html
the planechase cards are all pretty cool looking though i've never actually played with them
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
planechase is pretty cool, it reminds me of that old e-league thing "Chaos Magic" which was one of the most fun things ever
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
i like planechase despite having never played it (although i won the baleful strix set as a door prize at a release event so i do own some of them) because i really like land cards
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
I'm gonna be at PAX this weekend too, cider - if you see an Indian dude in a shirt that says Overclocked Remix, say hi! (We're doing a panel for that website on Sunday.) I went last year but ended up getting in line for the Wizards panel too late, so this year gonna make it a priority. Though like you said, it barely matters whether you go to the panel or not, the spoilers get posted online basically mid-panel.
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
And as far as Coldsnap goes, I thought the design was decent but it was a very "careful what you wish for" moment for me. I'd previously thought a small set designed to be triple-drafted would be awesome, but the strategies in that set were so boringly linear. Feel like I should have predicted that.
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
oh cool you're an OCR person? i was part of that community way back in high school like 9-10 years ago but i've mostly drifted away from it now. i only have a saturday pass though so i can only do so much stuff, last year i didn't even have time to play any mtg events, just the panel.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
i've never drafted coldsnap but the ripple cards seem like they could be pretty degenerate in draft
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
Yep! I do a bunch of various stuff for the site, cool that you've heard of it. Yeah PAX has way too many things going on, it's crazy. The only mtg I've played there was teaching my non-mtg friends using the 30-card beginner decks they give away.
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
you'd really need 5 before they got real crazy but yeah I always had the dream of getting like 5-6 Surging Dementias and basically winning the game on turn 2
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
getting 5+ of a common in a 3x small set draft seems within the realm of possibility though. ari lax drafted 8 ethereal armors at one of the RTR limited GPs, and that's in a large set.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
we figured this out, didn't we? the average common should appear about 2.5 times per draft. in Coldsnap, there are 60 commons, 10 per pack (the 15th slot was a snow land, right?), so a 1-in-6 chance of it showing up in any particular pack. so out of 24 packs drafted, there should be 4. so you'd need A) some good variance and B) to pick up every one of said common, should you go that route. with Surging Dementia I believe it's possible since I remember nobody ever wanting that card - with the red burn one and the 2/1 creature I think a lot more people wanted to try it out.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
does anyone know how to get new player tickets?
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
they come with new accounts, don't think they're tradable
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
why do you want them?
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
I have a handful but I guess that doesn't help if they're untradeable
a friend i wanted to see how far we could get with the original magic stuff e.g. two tickets + four new player tickets. you can win packs in the new player events so you can presumably get enough to play an M13 draft or sealed, at which point if you won you can then roll into more tickets/packs &c &c. but i only have one new player ticket left on my account so i wanted to buy/trade for some more
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
my guess would be that playing constructed would be more reliable than sealed if you're trying to do the rags to riches thing. you can probably build a viable mono-green standard deck with 5 tix or so, and standard dailies obviously have better ROI than limited events.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
I'm actually looking to build a standard deck in MTGO but don't wanna spend a lot and I want it to be somewhat competitive if possible. I have access to the shocklands and a lot of the good RTR/GTC cards that aren't big money rares (as I've sold them off already)...what do you think? I'd love to do a B/G thing with Corpsejack/Hydra/Strangleroot/Experiment One...is that viable?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
cider - its less about the rags-to-riches or cheapest way to get into mtgo than the challenge of maxing out the value of the original $10. it basically started as an argument about how far you can get with that or whether it was kindof a scam to charge new players. anyway i made a new mtgo account and going to see how long i can run this $10 for
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
hydra and corpsejack are just unplayable i think - theres a monogreen revenge of the hunted deck that has 4-0'd pretty often and i think the only kinda valuable card is primal hunter.
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
ahhh....do post decklist
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
i noticed this deck with hydra in the DE results today:http://mtgstats.com/Deck.aspx?DeckID=581415
it's not black though. just about everything is viable in standard right now as long as you're aware of what you're going to be facing and are prepared to face it - just make sure you have plans against burning-tree emissary chains, unburial rites, olivia voldaren, and supreme verdict+sphinx's revelation
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
this is the most budget-y list i've seen that can apparently still win:https://twitter.com/jjflipped/status/312018067863502849
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
http://wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/5125554
Willioufouf's list doesnt even run garruks (which are like 20 tix!)
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
predator ooze is surprisingly like 6 tix though
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
i like that one. Green-based midrange creature clusterfuck decks are generally my wheelhouse.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i like that list too. i think i'm finally starting to appreciate threat diversity in aggro decks, i used to always want to just play 4-ofs across the board, since that's what we did back in the day when there weren't nearly as many constructed-quality creatures.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
one card that i've been trying to find a home for in standard is Essence Harvest, it seems like an incredibly brutal effect in the right deck
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
also is there any way to ship my new account tickets from old account w/o being logged into both at the same time?
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
so my roguish RTR block deck is currently 3-0 in a daily after facing 3 consecutive esper obzedat decks, not to jinx anything. this is my first real constructed success so i'm pretty excited. foil skyknight c/o ciderpress.
http://imgur.com/ArnOizN
notes:
- mizzium mortars is underwhelming, but that's probably due to my matchups. i've played a bunch in practice room though and it also is underwhelming vs. the other dominant archetype (burning-tree aggro)- hypersonic dragon packs quite the punch. i was iffy on it before inclusion, but it's really quite strong.- i've yet to be disappointed to draw a civic saber. it has a rancor-like effect on this deck.- the charms have been great so far, particularly boros and its burn ability (or DS on a big flyer). i still have yet to pull off the reckoner infinite life combo though.
― cocktail onion (fennel cartwright), Friday, 22 March 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
no frostburn weird :((
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Friday, 22 March 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
haha! i had 2 before. but i figured i had lots of options against burning-tree. daring skyjek is really nice and versatile, love trading that thing. in the meantime, i just mug the 2 toughness attackers and that usually slows burning-tree decks down enough.
lost in r4 to jund, which is a brutal matchup for me. i'm just glad he didn't drop any golgari charms against all my tiny dorks. still took it to 3 games though.
think i might grind block constructed for s4. i think i have a decent chance of getting 15 QPs with this thing
― cocktail onion (fennel cartwright), Friday, 22 March 2013 04:00 (eleven years ago) link
i don't really like this block format right now, it's kind of warped by sphinx's revelation and is also short a pyroclasm or infest effect to let other colors than UW sweep the burning-tree decks. if dragon's maze has one of those plus a duress effect i think it could shape up a bit.
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 05:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i havent enjoyed block since AVR came out and made my sweet R/G undying deck bad
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Friday, 22 March 2013 06:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah innistrad block constructed was actually sweet with just ISD which is unusual. DKA was fine too after they banned lingering souls, but AVR ruined the format because of Borderland Ranger of all cards (it let green decks play 4 colors and get access to all the powerful cards while every other color combo was stuck with bad mana)
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
do you think they playtest block constructed at all, or is it a total afterthought?
― iatee, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:21 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure they do a little. But I'd imagine their testing is like 90% Standard
― frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
I'm under the impression that a big portion of their testing is Limited rather than Constructed
― Moodles, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:24 (eleven years ago) link
that's definitely true. I mean, out of their constructed testing, it's probably overwhelmingly Standard, plus a little Modern and Block. they've certainly released cards that seemed like they weren't properly tested so maybe I'm overstating this
― frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
it seems like limited playtesting is a better use of their time, just in that you can get a pretty good sense of how a set plays in limited / what's broken after 20 drafts, but predicting the constructed meta when most of the cards aren't even being played at the moment...
― iatee, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
they playtest limited and standard a ton but don't test block much and don't test eternal formats at all
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
you know Gatecreeper Vine may be a big card in RTR block
― frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
i'm thinking of a G/W/B deck with Deathrites/Abrupt Decay/Centaur Healers/Obzedat/Vraska
― frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:52 (eleven years ago) link
vine gets played in like bant control but in general the mana in the block is much better than in a typical block so that type of effect isn't as powerful in context. borderland ranger was an actual threat with wolf run, sacced to falkenrath aristocrat for a counter, etc. all while fixing your mana. gatecreeper vine just fixes and chumps once and that's not worth 1G unless you're a 3+ color control deck.
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
here's what a G/W/B block deck looks like at the momenthttp://mtgstats.com/Deck.aspx?DeckID=581570
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
you don't really have much else to do on turn two tho, at its worst it's just deck thinning
― iatee, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
yeah Alms Beast is something i'd definitely play with. just a deck of big honkers.
true that Borderland has its advantages but Vine can nip Gates, and it does tap for the Grove :)
― frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
gyre sage, call of the conclave, lotleth troll, abrupt decay their guy are all better things to do on 2 than play vine. i don't think it's terrible, i just don't think the mana in the block is bad enough that you need it
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
just want to fire off that Obzedat - but yeah Sage/Call are probably better. in fact I would imagine Call of the Conclave plays quite well?
― frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
it's okay, awkwardly not a creature for domri though so i don't play it in my naya decks
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:12 (eleven years ago) link