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( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 00:47 (eleven years ago) link

echoing schlumps thx for that post j.

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

it makes sense, it's a digital online imagined community, which is always going to be fascinating and interesting to research, but you don't have to worry about killing things or chopping down trees or going on quests.

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

it's very 'do you know anything about techno?" for liberal arts majors

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 00:50 (eleven years ago) link

i've literally never met anyone who's used it besides information studies students

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

bro do u even slife

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 02:09 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/28/your_iphone_kills_jobs/

boss in your pocket

j., Thursday, 28 March 2013 22:43 (eleven years ago) link

thought he was dead already

Newgod.css (seandalai), Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:35 (eleven years ago) link

I've used TaskRabbit. Handy.

Jeff, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor–network_theory

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link

actor-network theory

Woody Ellen (Matt P), Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link

latour was the real founder of google

markers, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link

I made a bunch of sites 5-10 years ago, all using Flash CS3 & HTML, and they all made extensive use of frames. Like the site would be split into 2 or 3 frames, and there would be a Flash menu in one of them that called up pages in another frame. A year or so ago i tried putting them on a portfolio site and none of the menus worked, apparently the cross-frame functionality is incompatible with new versions of Flash and the Flash player. I tried briefly to fix them and found out the newer Flash did EVERYTHING differently. Something as simple as making a single button now involved coding a ton of javascript. So eff that.

This post doesn't exactly have anything to do w the future, but I'm hoping there will be browsers where you can select 'Browse the web through a 2004 machine' and all that stuff actually works.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 March 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link

hopefully in the future there will just be a 'make things go back to the way there once were' that somehow changes your whole life

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 29 March 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

Instrgram filters for your brain

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 March 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link

i was incredibly pleased recently to find my old, pre-smart-phone phone, which i hadn't used in ~ 4 years. it still had a charge. i put in a spare SIM card and all my old contacts were still there somehow, many of which i had no idea who they were, and for a second it was like i really had gone back in time. i loved that fucking phone.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 March 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link

did it remember your high score in snake?

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 29 March 2013 23:26 (eleven years ago) link

that phone didn't have snake. i can't remember what it had actually. i didn't play games on it. it had the internet, but only over GPRS (the "circle" connection on an iPhone, i.e. practically useless) so i never used it. i can vividly remember the anxiety that welled up when i realized i didn't have any reading material for a train ride though. the surreptitious angling for a discarded evening standard on the other side of the carriage.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 30 March 2013 11:08 (eleven years ago) link

http://thebaffler.com/past/the_meme_hustler

on tim o'reilly, feel like it might have been posted elsewhere on ilx but can't be bothered to find it

j., Thursday, 4 April 2013 04:28 (eleven years ago) link

there may be some valid points in the article, but i think it's essentially _wrong_ in basically saying corporations on, one side, stallman on the other, and that's it, and that's how its always been. the BSD license dates back to '88 or so, as does the MIT license, which means that they _predate_ the GPL. So the argument that there was a broader more general unix/academic driven notion of open source before the GPL/GNU/etc. is straightforwardly historically correct.

i mean some of the obvious technocratic stuff seems obviously technocratic. but the 'sinister' element of open source is a much more complex and contentious issue, and the folks embracing the term knew basically why they were doing it, and what it meant, and license disputes in the 'free software' world waaay predated o'reilly and i think he had very little effect on how things happened since, for that matter.

s.clover, Thursday, 4 April 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link

Evgeny Morozov is a New York Times guest columnist and the author of The Net Delusion: The Dark Side of Internet Freedom. His new book, To Save Everything, Click Here: The Folly of Technological Utopianism, is available now. This essay appears in the current issue of The Baffler so goddamn tedious.

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 4 April 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

Some of it seems painfully otm though, e.g. the Eric Raymond quote - "The implication of [the open source] label is that we intend to convince the corporate world to adopt our way for economic, self-interested, non-ideological reasons,” - no ideology there, no sirree! But yeah would be nice to have the skewering done in less than 500 pages.

riverrun, past Steve and Adam's (ledge), Thursday, 4 April 2013 22:52 (eleven years ago) link

well yeah, precisely. everyone knew the GNU approach was about changing computing by forcing software to be free, and had a strong ideological component, and the BSD approach was quite different. basically building cool stuff, sharing it with the world, and hoping the world would want to share back.

but that's not skewering -- that's a well known debate. and GNU has never been anti-business or anti-capital in the least, just pro- free software. furthermore, they've actually supported patent law more than many people would like, because they need it to work in order to enforce the GPL.

I know plenty of folks who basically have the attitude "if i release this GPL then some people won't be able to use it, but I want everyone to use it, so I'm using BSD or public domain licensing or something." Creative commons licenses for example are typically much more BSD-like than GPL like as well. And they're not doing this for ideological reasons, except to the extent their ideology is 'i want to share my cool thing with everyone'.

in fact GPL is usually used _more_ by people out to make money, since they'll use dual licensing schemes where if you need a non-GPL license for a commercial product you can get that too, for an appropriate price. and that's absolutely something promoted by FSF/GNU people!

So this is a much broader issue and I think the article gave a really shallow treatment.

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Thursday, 4 April 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

This is awesome. CERN put the very first website back online

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 10:40 (eleven years ago) link

Tim B-L should get the Nobel Peace Prize

resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 12:16 (eleven years ago) link

concur.

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 12:33 (eleven years ago) link

Let's wait until Vine brings down the Jong-Un regime /fakejeffjarvis

stet, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:58 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

https://twitter.com/MIAuniverse/status/356553491566706691

markers, Monday, 15 July 2013 00:00 (ten years ago) link

IDGI... before the internet crossed what? The Streams?? Venkman said that would be bad.

Frobisher the Penguin Shapeshifter AKA: (Viceroy), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 21:38 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

The hackers further went on to suggest that changing the title of Israel on Google Maps to Palestine would be a “revolution” — and suggesting that visitors listen to R&B singer Rihanna and “be cool.”

crüt, Monday, 26 August 2013 21:14 (ten years ago) link

:P

HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 26 August 2013 21:16 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

so horace dediu of Asymco & The Critical Path is starting a new thing significant digits where he gets to take his chartboy schtick to ~video~

first episode is on "the future of the internet" and what happens when internet adoption plateus globally

this is sort of not great as a first 15 mins of discussion (*8 minutes of graphs* "so what do you think?" "uhhh i hadn't seen any of that data before") buuuut it looks like Part 1 of a 5 part discussion and i trust horace's judgement in bringing on guests to believe the other 4 parts will be cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab7yxU7lNHg

In this inaugural episode we open with the biggest question facing the biggest technological innovation of our time: the limit to growth of the Internet. The Internet is the backbone of our post-industrial society as much as the railroad was the backbone of the industrial revolution. Even more so, the diffusion of internet consumption is the fundamental engine of growth at a time when industrial economies are all mired in syndromes of underinvestment and misallocation of resources.

And so it matters greatly if and when the Internet will “inflect” in growth, going from acceleration to deceleration. Mobile computing sustained this acceleration, bringing computing and connectivity to the billions for whom the PC would always be beyond reach. But even with the expansion of device-based usage limits are in sight.

The implications could be profound. Frothy valuations and optimism could evaporate. Venture Capital could find few exits and the “second Internet Bubble” could burst. On the other hand, maybe the data shows that opportunity is largely unmet. Quantity of users is but one proxy. How can growth and business model innovation continue?

To help us think this through I have as my guest Marko Anderson, cofounder of Random [1] and a former colleague at Nokia.

Stay tuned for four more parts:

Part 2: Browsing vs. Apps The HTML5 vs. Native debate and the jobs the Internet is hired to do.
Part 3: Monetize This The problem with business model innovation. When the ad dollars run out, what will take their place?
Part 4: Random How discovery is changing and the value of irrationality.
Part 5: Glass is half full How can we screw this up? Privacy, Surveillance and The Internet Citizen’s Bill of Rights.

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 17 April 2014 02:14 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

creepiest 2 sentences i've read all year

Does the frisson of reading these weird corporate tweets happen because we are rating the social-media manager’s performance on Twitter, like an Olympic judge holding up a score at the end of each tweet (and supplying important metrics to the brand at the same time)? Or does the Denny’s brand’s mewling Twitter intimacy make us feel paternal, bound to support and foster our corporate brand children as they speak to us through the web, learning our native medium?

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/weird-corporate-twitter/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 07:14 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Carles doesn’t even tweet anymore

got 2 keep it fresh bb

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

soo barrett brown just got 6 years, in part, for sharing a link to an IRC chat

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7871317/barrett-brown-sentencing-anonymous-stratfor

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link

in other The Future is Terrifying news

One day in 2011, Moosa opened the Facebook Messenger app on his iPhone. What he saw was chilling: someone else typing under his name to an activist friend of his in Bahrain. Whoever it was kept posing personal questions prodding for information, and Moosa watched unfold right before eyes. He panicked.

"It was like, ‘What’s going on? What’s happening?’" he recalls. He changed his password, alerted his friend, and stopped using Facebook Messenger — but the intrusions kept coming.

In another instance, Moosa noticed that someone posing as him solicited his female Facebook friends for sex — part of an effort, it seemed, to blackmail or perhaps defame him in Bahrain’s conservative media. Facebook was only the beginning. Unbeknownst to him, Moosa’s phone and computer had been infected with a highly sophisticated piece of spyware, built and sold in secret. The implant effectively commandeered his digital existence, collecting everything he did or said online.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/21/7861645/finfisher-spyware-let-bahrain-government-hack-political-activist

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

https://medium.com/backchannel/the-failed-promise-of-deep-links-aa307b3abaa5

I think about this stuff all the time so it's annoying to see something so wrongheaded.

"Right now, though, we could be forgiven for worrying that deep linking is mostly about helping people sell us stuff."

Targeted ads are obnoxious, but it hasn't killed the web yet.

"Most apps are proprietary; you can only create deep links to them if the app’s creator allows you to."

Apps that don't provide deep links aren't going to show up in Google search results. Good luck with that.

"Meanwhile, back on the Web, the bulk of the links we encounter are lazy, manipulative, or mundane. Is it time to play “Taps” over the link’s corpse?"

I'm so sorry for wasting everyone's time here.

the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Friday, 22 May 2015 00:07 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

well this is the most dystopian commercial i've ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1yb-wWwAEQ

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 00:55 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

did everybody read this http://idlewords.com/talks/web_design_first_100_years.htm

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:52 (eight years ago) link

cc iyo did facebook ruin the internet?

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:56 (eight years ago) link

schlump - its a good piece (well designed, you just keep reading till you get to the end).

I am not sure how the pro-AI lot would destroy the version of the web we have at the moment. The 2nd version is tied into questions of 'well can we destroy most jobs so we can spend even more of our free time looking at cats?'. I think some of these things can co-exist.

Not fancying ILXor's chances of suriving till 2060, but it might outlast facebook.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 11:42 (eight years ago) link

Probably.

Jeff, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 11:54 (eight years ago) link

But it will be all 70-90 year olds then. Everyone younger will be in VR social networks.

Jeff, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 11:55 (eight years ago) link

cheers schlump, really interesting article

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 12:12 (eight years ago) link

isn't it interesting. i really required that level of exposition on the divisions in 'progress' around cores, battery life, &c, but i feel like some of its takehome is pretty inspirational on a smaller scale, sort of along the lines of the geocities romanticism in the facebook thread.

the guy is a really beautiful & funny writer who also wrote this informative precis on transnational burrito delivery, & who peppered his talk on walden with amusing conference diversions like

I went back and re-read a book that had a profound effect on me when I was younger, that really lit a fire under me about being self-reliant and living a life on my own terms. I wanted to see if it still had anything to say to me now that I was actually doing it.

And to my relief, it was even better than I remembered. It turns out there was all kinds of stuff I had missed because I was too young, or too callow, to really understand it.

[at this point I troll the audience by displaying a huge slide of Ayn Rand]

So today I want to talk to you about one of my biggest heroes, whose work I think will have a profound impact on anyone trying to create something on their own terms.

Of course I mean this guy, Henry David Thoreau.

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 12:22 (eight years ago) link

Not fancying ILXor's chances of suriving till 2060, but it might outlast facebook.

this will be such a vindication

kings of the world, that day

j., Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:06 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

dang it didn't we have a recent death-of-journalism-because-internet thread that wasn't the facebork one

https://lareviewofbooks.org/essay/dont-settle-the-journalist-in-the-shadow-of-the-commercial-web

The internet allows for a lot of analysis, because journalists can comment on a story as it develops. That’s a good thing — analysis is really important — but the commercial web often promotes a kind of analysis that benefits platforms instead of readers. The problem is that democratic conversation, the kind that journalism needs to nurture, takes place between people, while the commercial web’s primary interest is presenting a conversation for people — a simulacrum, that can be used as a vehicle for advertisements and a means of collecting data about readers’ interests (to make sure those ads are well targeted). It’s not enough to engage readers, but it’s enough to draw clicks from readers wasting time at work, and clicks pay. This opens up a place for “analytical” writing that promises an argument, but doesn’t necessarily need to deliver it. It is the most prevalent modern way a good journalist settles down. And it leads to wasting a lot of readers’ time, which is a brazen violation of the terms of the journalist’s “contract.” More importantly, it reinforces the pernicious notion that there is no distinction between journalism and mere content, which helps build acceptance for other kinds of “settled” work — including the kind that merely repeats official stories from official sources. When journalists fail to engage readers, they discourage readers from critically engaging with journalism — and that diminishes readers’ ability to critically engage in democratic conversation as a whole.

j., Friday, 21 August 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link

Not completely sure I follow "promises an argument, but doesn't necessarily need to deliver it" -- in other words stuff with #slatepitchy headlines/concepts where the piece isn't actually all that well-reasoned or thoroughly worked through?

five six and (man alive), Friday, 21 August 2015 02:23 (eight years ago) link

they are more like the internet journalism equivalent of those billboards that say "does advertising work? just did!"

ryan, Friday, 21 August 2015 02:47 (eight years ago) link


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