it's basically the "infinite monkeys" thought experiment, yeah, but it's basically turning an unprovable mathematical statement into a quasi-religious atheist tenet
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
basically
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
lol Neil S
― andrew m., Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/58033_442768779143059_155773623_n.jpg"heh, the guy's got a point" NO HE DOESN'T!!
― ehkarl, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
helpful highlighting though, kept me on track
Suspect this d00d was not really all that surprised.
― I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
Who has ever said that spoons make people fat?
― emil.y, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
Pi poster makes me wonder how terrible Aronofsky's film would seem today
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
I think the Aronofsky film worked because it's not really about "the mysteries of Pi" but about the intensity of the kind of person who gets obsessed with "the mysteries of Pi"
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
its a film that fucking loves science
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
if you were to interpret the constant pi as encoded video, eventually you would see the entire series of Faces of Death, in all digital video formats that have ever existed or will exist
truly the devil's constant
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:38 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's provable in the mathematical sense tbf, but not empirically, which is i guess what you mean. and "it" (pi contains *everything*) is true of every irrational number. there an infinite number of these. there is nothing special about pi.
― caek, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
Infinite non-repeating doesn't necessarily equal "every possible number combination" though, does it? I mean you could have an infinite non-repeating decimal that just went like this: 1.121122111222111122221111122222111111222222 etc.
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
infinity contains everything except infinity is a limit, not a number
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
yea, i suppose that's what i was trying to get at -- you can assert that your dog's DNA is somehow encoded into the digits of pi but good luck trying to prove it. xps
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery
Pi search engine
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
Dawkins is right tho, there's no place for magical thinking in the man's world of fucking loving science
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://static.quickmeme.com/media/social/qm.gif
― I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
no but it's really not necessarily true that it contains every possible number sequence just because it's infinite and non-repeating
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
much in the same way that there's no reason to believe monkeys would eventually type shakespear. They could just wind up typing "kkkkkkkkk" forever.
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:05 (eleven years ago) link
racist monkeys
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:05 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3tn5wj/
― I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
however, it does apparently contain the famous "boobies" number sequence (55319009)
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
nah i think infinity implies that everything that can happen would happen, every possible member of a set would appear in an infinitely sized set. you could have a set of less than 10 digits which was infinite i guess but if there's an infinitely big set which can contain all 10 digits then logically it would contain every possible combination of those digits. except "contain" becomes kind of meaningless in that context, i think because as i say you can't really treat infinity as a number
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
xp uh that says "googiess"
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
damn, my pin for my debit card is in the first 20 million digits of pi, time to change it
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
xp rong flip it upside down
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
here's the rub: so ANY given string of digits MIGHT appear in an infinite non-repeating sequence, but so what? there's the fallacious, superstitious conclusion that this MEANS anything -- that it proves that the world is full of connection and meaning (and that math is awesome and way better than religion, obvs).
it would be an equally compelling piece of evidence that NOTHING is meaningful if you framed it a different way.
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
well yeah I think we all agree on that part
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
it's additionally silly because pi is derived from a wholly man-made, abstract concept (the perfect circle)
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
I was thinking that it wouldn't necessarily contain every number sequence too, but I think that's down to intuitively thinking it temporally like the monkey theory rather than in terms of a proper but not-yet-defined infinite. But for me the real arbitrariness is in implying that ASCII or bitmap code is of some cosmic significance somehow, though maybe if I come up with some decimal language in which the first 100 letters of pi means 'ILX' I will become God or something.
― a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:58 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
iirc irrational are not *just* non-repeating. they have other properties.
but yeah, elmo otm.
― caek, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
obvs I mean the first 77 letters of pi. xp
― a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
ianam but i think a 'normal' number does contain every finite sequence of integers, but it is not known if pi is normal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_number
― riverrun, past Steve and Adam's (ledge), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
god wikipedia maths articles are the worst
― riverrun, past Steve and Adam's (ledge), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
woah this thread just took a turn
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
yeah well who wants to be a normal number anyway, I like to do random things sometimes
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
actually it is u who is rong because you meant to type 5318008
unless of course you were talking about the "boobless" variant, which was 55378008
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
5318008 618
― riverrun, past Steve and Adam's (ledge), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
there are BOOBIES and there are bOObIES, know what I'm sayin?
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
its a stoner thought experiment guys i dont think anyone is really taking it that seriously
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, you can maybe get alarmed if the us govt starts passing legislation based on the fact that the last thing you see before you die appears in pi or people start taking pi-based medicine but
omg you're right, shut the thread down guys
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
turns out Facebook image macros are nbd
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
ha
― caek, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
ANY given string of digits MUST appear in an infinite non-repeating sequence, unless i understand infinity as meaning something different from u guys. since it's non-repeating it continues until every possible string of digits is expressed ie eternity? u just have no access to it. (oh lol i see platonic forms.)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
there are different kinds of infinity, apparently
― pair of fungals prove kiddie pools aren't just for algae anymore (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
if anything tho that meme is surely an argument for god not atheism since the atheist only believes in pi as it is observed and the theist believes the infinite shares infinitude w/ the divine.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:05 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yah monkeys experiment assumes monkeys would type randomly when really they would all just write the kkk newsletter
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
sry joke was alread made
― pair of fungals prove kiddie pools aren't just for algae anymore (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link