nah i think infinity implies that everything that can happen would happen, every possible member of a set would appear in an infinitely sized set. you could have a set of less than 10 digits which was infinite i guess but if there's an infinitely big set which can contain all 10 digits then logically it would contain every possible combination of those digits. except "contain" becomes kind of meaningless in that context, i think because as i say you can't really treat infinity as a number
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
xp uh that says "googiess"
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
damn, my pin for my debit card is in the first 20 million digits of pi, time to change it
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
xp rong flip it upside down
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
here's the rub: so ANY given string of digits MIGHT appear in an infinite non-repeating sequence, but so what? there's the fallacious, superstitious conclusion that this MEANS anything -- that it proves that the world is full of connection and meaning (and that math is awesome and way better than religion, obvs).
it would be an equally compelling piece of evidence that NOTHING is meaningful if you framed it a different way.
― ampersand cooper black (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
well yeah I think we all agree on that part
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
it's additionally silly because pi is derived from a wholly man-made, abstract concept (the perfect circle)
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
I was thinking that it wouldn't necessarily contain every number sequence too, but I think that's down to intuitively thinking it temporally like the monkey theory rather than in terms of a proper but not-yet-defined infinite. But for me the real arbitrariness is in implying that ASCII or bitmap code is of some cosmic significance somehow, though maybe if I come up with some decimal language in which the first 100 letters of pi means 'ILX' I will become God or something.
― a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Infinite non-repeating doesn't necessarily equal "every possible number combination" though, does it? I mean you could have an infinite non-repeating decimal that just went like this: 1.121122111222111122221111122222111111222222 etc.
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:58 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
iirc irrational are not *just* non-repeating. they have other properties.
but yeah, elmo otm.
― caek, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
obvs I mean the first 77 letters of pi. xp
― a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
ianam but i think a 'normal' number does contain every finite sequence of integers, but it is not known if pi is normal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_number
― riverrun, past Steve and Adam's (ledge), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
god wikipedia maths articles are the worst
― riverrun, past Steve and Adam's (ledge), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
woah this thread just took a turn
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
yeah well who wants to be a normal number anyway, I like to do random things sometimes
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
actually it is u who is rong because you meant to type 5318008
unless of course you were talking about the "boobless" variant, which was 55378008
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
5318008 618
― riverrun, past Steve and Adam's (ledge), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
there are BOOBIES and there are bOObIES, know what I'm sayin?
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
its a stoner thought experiment guys i dont think anyone is really taking it that seriously
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, you can maybe get alarmed if the us govt starts passing legislation based on the fact that the last thing you see before you die appears in pi or people start taking pi-based medicine but
omg you're right, shut the thread down guys
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
turns out Facebook image macros are nbd
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
ha
― caek, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
ANY given string of digits MUST appear in an infinite non-repeating sequence, unless i understand infinity as meaning something different from u guys. since it's non-repeating it continues until every possible string of digits is expressed ie eternity? u just have no access to it. (oh lol i see platonic forms.)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
there are different kinds of infinity, apparently
― pair of fungals prove kiddie pools aren't just for algae anymore (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
if anything tho that meme is surely an argument for god not atheism since the atheist only believes in pi as it is observed and the theist believes the infinite shares infinitude w/ the divine.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
much in the same way that there's no reason to believe monkeys would eventually type shakespear. They could just wind up typing "kkkkkkkkk" forever.
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:05 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yah monkeys experiment assumes monkeys would type randomly when really they would all just write the kkk newsletter
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
sry joke was alread made
― pair of fungals prove kiddie pools aren't just for algae anymore (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
B-)
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
mordy you are wrong. as ppl pointed out you can have an infinite nonrepeating sequence that e.g. contains no sevens. there's no proof about what sequences pi does or doesn't have, just that it is irrational, which just means its not the ratio of two integers (i.e. rational).
― s.clover, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
exactly it's irrational who knows what the fuck it's going to do next
― pair of fungals prove kiddie pools aren't just for algae anymore (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
someday I will explain infinity to you all but not right now
― my god i only have 2 useless beyblade (silby), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
cant wait
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
it is full of stars sets
― my god i only have 2 useless beyblade (silby), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
infinity? it doesn't matter u wouldn't know her anyway, she lives in Canada
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
My cousin is a set theorist at Oxford. Should I invite him to ILX for an AMA?
― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
yes!
― my god i only have 2 useless beyblade (silby), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
would like to see the set of all facebook Macros that doesn't contain a Bob Marley quote
― Neil S, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
does it contain itself?
― s.clover, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
-- Bob Marley
― s.clover, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
mind blown
― Neil S, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
--808 542137
― pair of fungals prove kiddie pools aren't just for algae anymore (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
more like you guys are irrational
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
now I am just a number
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
I, rrational
― mister borges (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
thanks dmac
― I, rrational (mh), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/32631_173231519498352_1609058548_n.jpg
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
buy a better notebook with better paper quality
it looks like lined toilet paper ffs
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
that's all that message deserves
― my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
lol true
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
if you expect the WDRST, the WDRST will happen
― silverfish, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link