yeah i noticed them as a label when they did the US release of Seadrum/House of Sun (2004?) and came closest to having affection for them when they helped with Boadrum.
― Jopy's on a vacation far away (Jon Lewis), Friday, 5 April 2013 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
i remember about a dozen homunculus dudes skittering about at that show with animal masks and hand held cameras; i think that was vice
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
it was one of the best live things ever on a lot of levels
― Jopy's on a vacation far away (Jon Lewis), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
vice is p troubling in a lot of ways obviously but when comparing them to mtv or mens/lad mags they're the lesser of several evils imo
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
man, i dunno about thathttp://pastehtml.com/view/c68p9j892.html
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
btw i don't even know what vice is, am i bad at the internet
You'd have known about it if you were on ILX ca. 2004-06.
― jaymc, Friday, 5 April 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
Five years ago, we did a two-page spread on how Project USA’s Craig Nelson was brave enough to take on America’s seriously damaged immigration policies. (We are immigrants ourselves and were therefore not the least bit afraid of being blackballed as “anti-immigrant.”) The responses were hysterical. Formerly loyal readers called for boycotts. They annoyed our advertisers with silly rhetoric and called us racists. Needless to say, we were shocked. Like Toby Young in How to Lose Friends and Alienate People or Peter Brimelow in Alien Nation, we were new immigrants who couldn’t understand why Americans were so determined to favor PC posturing over simple facts. Immigration is out of hand, and it’s only going to get worse. Where were the young conservatives to come to our defense? Was the dumb community in control of the entire country?Two years later, we ran an article on an artist who painted women with incredibly large rear ends. Gay men and straight women found the depictions revolting. Straight men loved it. In the article, the writer went so far as to blame the heavy concentration of gays in the magazine world for brainwashing women into thinking men don’t want them to be at least a little bit porky. He talked about how men bought more hair products than women last year and how heavy grooming like hair dying, chest waxing, and even eyebrow plucking have become de rigueur for straight men. He claimed the gay community had “recreated straights in their own image.” Predictably, our readers were outraged. But something was different this time. On our Web site’s message boards, advocates of the Right started to appear. For every three people who called the article homophobic, there was at least one saying, “What about the part where it’s true? Isn’t that worth something?”—a comment that beautifully sums up the difference between liberals (equality first, truth last) and conservatives (truth first, everything else second).
Two years later, we ran an article on an artist who painted women with incredibly large rear ends. Gay men and straight women found the depictions revolting. Straight men loved it. In the article, the writer went so far as to blame the heavy concentration of gays in the magazine world for brainwashing women into thinking men don’t want them to be at least a little bit porky. He talked about how men bought more hair products than women last year and how heavy grooming like hair dying, chest waxing, and even eyebrow plucking have become de rigueur for straight men. He claimed the gay community had “recreated straights in their own image.” Predictably, our readers were outraged. But something was different this time. On our Web site’s message boards, advocates of the Right started to appear. For every three people who called the article homophobic, there was at least one saying, “What about the part where it’s true? Isn’t that worth something?”—a comment that beautifully sums up the difference between liberals (equality first, truth last) and conservatives (truth first, everything else second).
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
point taken but micinnes in 2013 =! vice in 2013
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
god that guy is such a POS
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― Jopy's on a vacation far away (Jon Lewis), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
I think Vice has gotten more canny about not being so open about their immensely shitty mission, lowest common denominator trolling and purely capitalist motives but not much has changed in their coverage or approach. i find the website painful these days, the Girls schtick with dunham trying to write for blogs about her heroin use and fucking teenagers is clearly lifted from vice culture. they do still occasionally eke out some legit journalism so i'll try the show but they're just so often repugnant
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
er cocaine use, whatevs
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
ya i mean he does not work for them anymore FWIW
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah all i'm saying is let me know the next time mtv arranges a boredoms performance that morbius gets sunburnt waiting in line for
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
he used to write like the entire magazine
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
Before the nyer article all i knew of Vice was the cover of a book i used to see displayed in "staff picks" sections of bookstores 10 years ago. I think it had a white guy with a fro and gold teeth on the cover. That and on ile threads when someone would say "i hate linking to vice but..."
― gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Friday, 5 April 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
the more up to date critique of vice, as outlined in the nyer piece, is that theyre basically just a an advertising firm
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
some of their video stuff is pretty cool, tho i think its better understood as travel documentary than journalism
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
There's this real lame "we're just putting it out there, maaaaaaan" aspect to what they do, which I find tends to severely undercut even the stuff of theirs that has merit. Also, I never thought what travel shows and investigative journalism needed was a dose of the Xtreme or other Jackass!-ery.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
^ this. pretty much the only worthwhile part of the enterprise in 2013 are the travel vids. xp
― Mordy, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
what travel shows need is exactly a dose of jackassery!
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
did u see the mormons fighting the drug cartels one?
― Mordy, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
no that sounds good tho!
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
i mean maybe not exactly jackassery but at least like a little bit of real people seeing real things, usual travel shows are just like this boring narration and some smiling person being all look we took a plane to a waterfall, doesnt at all capture the vibe of traveling, vice may be a little douche (tho not always) but they def come closer to some sort of travel verisimilitude
the japanese suicide forest one was obv exploitative but really fascinating and touching too
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
ladies and gentlemen, the target audience
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
lol forks media critic
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
lol u feeling the need to get defensive about the stuff you claim to like
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
jeez forks i just think your media criticism is funny
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
if anyone doesn't want to check out the vice travel videos bc gr8080, lag00n and i give considered praise for them, i think that's legit. i certainly don't think my taste in media jibes w/ everyone
― Mordy, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
japanese suicide forest sounds extremely interesting to me tho, and i will check it out now
― Mordy, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
brb starting a media company w/ lagoon and mordy
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
forks standby for the press release
1080p HD is sweet too
― Mordy, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
let's do it guys
1st order of business hire forks as public editor
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
forks i'm gonna need 700 words on spring breakers by 4:30 pm get to it
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
i'm pretty excited for the HBO series actually.
― Mordy, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
brb, cutting and pasting "horseshit" 700 times
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
feel like youll prob want to work 'white western male privilege' in there somewhere
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
enjoy what you wanna enjoy, i genuinely think you guys ARE the target audienceme, not so much anymore. ahma go throw some ceramics
― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
goodnight sweet prince
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
u might like this video they did on anarchist pottery throwers
― Mordy, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
Like, it's not enough that they go to Chernobyl. They have to do it drunk.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
you just cant deal w their bad boy take no prisoners attitude man
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
actually i guess theyre more dont give a shit than take no prisoners
if they added rocket-skates I would never watch anything else BUT their vids
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
the vice photo book is u+k
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 5 April 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
in the nyer piece theyre covering the flooding of venice and its connection to global warming and they goto a flooded bar and have a drink and are all NOW this is a real vice piece lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
Xtreme Bar
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 April 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link