even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

and the fact that there were TWO DIFFERENT DRIVERS both cursing him out

no no, must be the $200 pink shirt, sure that's it

pudendum boy shirt

Ms. Fine Collins, who says she is in her early 50s,

the neglected children of PS 58 in Carroll Gardens finally get some relief:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/public-money-goes-to-school-toilets-brooklyn-voters-decide/

no. no. NO. NOOOOO. NOOOOOOOO.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/nyregion/babys-latest-going-diaperless-at-home-or-even-in-the-park.html?src=me&_r=0

Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an “eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store” on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg, has been drawing capacity crowds to its diaper-free “Meetups,” where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars.

we used to go to caribou a lot. so glad we moved and are not raising our child in that area.

lol

Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients.

haha where's yr spirituality now COACH

you know what is not fucking eco friendly? PISSING AND SHITTING IN THE STREET!

Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers, as well as reducing the laundering of cloth diapers and preventing diaper rash. Many of them like the thought that they are rediscovering an ancient practice used in other cultures, though they tend to gloss over the fact that many of those cultures had never heard of Pampers. But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies’ most intimate functions.

chinese parents do that all the time

well how else are they going to get pee pee in all that coke?

i'm sorry, it's been a difficult week for everyone.

cool joke for you to make

guilty lol, sorry in retrospect

but in seriousness, do they do it because it's the old way and diapers are expensive or because they just believe in it?

i have seen, in the motherfucking city of new york, mothers and fathers holding their babies over trash cans while the lil' tykes shit away. i assume this is some "when you have a baby you'll understand" type ish but in the middle of a subway station during the summer this is most foul behavior.

well i would say it's probably just tradition. but you do end up with babies shitting in, say, a wal-mart (i've witnessed this), or on the street, or in a shopping mall

no, having a baby has not increased my understanding of this

the owner of caribou is also a big advocate of "baby wrapping" which I don't have a particular problem with (I am lazy and prefer a pre-structured carrier but w/e); however I once saw her carry her very large, then three-and-a-half-year-old son on her back in a wrap and it was a bit strange

lol poor kid

there's this whole thing about how she "apprenticed" to a woman in an "african village" to learn how to do it

people who let their kids shit & piss in the street -- especially if they're well-off white hipster douchebags -- are bloody disgusting savages who should be sterilized and have their kids taken away by Child Protective Services.

Ms. Stare watched for cues that meant her baby needed to go to the bathroom or was going to the bathroom, like a certain cry or squirming or a grimace. Then, she began associating those cues with her own noises, like “sss,” or grunting. After a while she could make those noises — the elimination communication — to the baby while holding him over the toilet or the sink for perhaps 20 seconds, and he would go to the bathroom on command or refuse if he was not ready.

So you hold your baby over the sink (IT IS NOT OKAY TO PEE IN THE SINK, DAMN) and make noises and the baby either pees, waits a little while then pees, or doesn't pee. Yeah, sounds like it totally reliably works.

people who let their kids shit & piss in the street -- especially if they're well-off white hipster douchebags -- are bloody disgusting savages who should be sterilized and have their kids taken away by Child Protective Services.

― marmite christ (Eisbaer), Friday, April 19, 2013 4:43 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why "especially if they're well-off white hipster douchebags"?

Commenter OTM:

I view this particular fad as the frivolity of the upper middle class who can afford to raise their own children. Try taking junior to your neighborhood day care center without diapers and see how long that lasts. Try maintaining that communication with a 6-month old child while telecommuting on your home computer.

Of course he goes on to claim that disposable diapers make parents and children lazy, so grain of salt and all.

just picturing eisbaer taking samples of baby sidewalk poop and running dna tests so he knows how outraged to be

Then, she began associating those cues with her own noises, like “sss,” or grunting

this is so creepy

I'm all for hippie bullshit, seriously (ask me about my cloth menstrual pads!), but I draw the line at eating placenta and letting your child shit in bowls in your living room.

I mean that as two separate activities, not like "How about we eat some placenta and let Jayden shit in a bowl in the living room!"

why "especially if they're well-off white hipster douchebags"?

(a) b/c they are presumably well-educated enough to know that public health and sanitation laws aren't some evil plot by the Big Bad Diaper Industry to stifle their kids' natural industries, and that human waste in public streets is a health hazard; (b) b/c they can afford diapers fer Christ's sake; (c) b/c they're hipsters, they probably have some bullshit pseudo-intellectual/anti-establishment rationale for not buying diapers or being too lazy to potty train their kids; (d) they are wallowing in their privileged societal position (and showing their contempt for public laws and norms) by allowing their kids to shit & piss in the streets.

natural INSTINCTS, i meant. and lest anyone think that i'm making this "Big Bad Diaper Industry" spiel up, here's an actual comment that was posted about this story:

"The negativity and amusement I am reading in these responses reveal how well we have been conditioned by the diaper industry to fear the waste of our children. This conditioning has led to ignorance about our own infant's instincts. What is being described in this article is not a form of toilet training, but a form of communication. This is not about training a child to hold their waste back, but teaching a child to communicate at a very early age when it needs to go--by capitalizing on the child's natural instincts of not wanting to go in their clothing. My younger child was communicating his need to peepee by 4 months. In a society in which everyone is so obsessed with social and intellectual development, it puzzles me that this practice, which fosters early forms of communication and social interaction, is heartily rejected, simply because it is related to toileting.

Regarding the hygiene issue, although I bought special bowls for my children to go in, and threw them away when they were toilet trained, the suggestion that these bowls can never be clean again is evidence of the paranoia about waste that the diaper industry feeds on. It also suggests ignorance of simple principles of microbiology. Soap and water can get most viruses and bacteria off most surfaces--you don't even need the heavy duty, triclosan laden anti-bacterial soaps that so many of us have in our houses anyway."

i honestly don't disagree with most of that comment you posted? there actually is a big (not bad unless you're marxist i guess) 16 billion dollar diaper industry that is no doubt VERY aggressive against even the smallest potential threat.
my issue is people saying peepee and doodoo, what the fuck is your problem? Defecate and urinate if you must, piss and shit otherwise, c'mon.

btw isn't "public health and sanitation laws are some evil plot by the Big Bad Diaper Industry to stifle their kids' natural industries" almost exclusively the province of well-off douchebags in any case? You gotta be well-off to have time to worry about those kind of (maybe sorta kinda) non-problems

forks otm disgusting savagery at its most disgustingly savage

Big Bad Diaper Industry totally making up the need to not have children shitting in bowls in your living room. If it weren't for their brainwashing, we'd be happily rolling around in baby crap every night after work.

so its okay for dogs to poop in the street but not babies ; )

Your baby can poop in the street as long as you scoop the poop.

actually, it isn't -- you can get fined in NYC (and in Hoboken) for letting your dogs shit in the street and not cleaning it up!

But to hear that ding dong commenter tell it, baby poop is some precious commodity that we've been trained to fear. S/he probably thinks s/he's doing the world a favor living all those beautiful turds lying around for everyone to enjoy.

well nothing suggests that they're not cleaning it up when it happens in public

i think you guys are making a poop moutnain out of a pee hill

At three weeks, her daughter could hold her bowel movements until she was put over the bowl, she said.

lady, if you're going to lie at least make it a little bit plausible.

kids aren't dogs and they shouldn't be shitting & pissing in public in the first place. though since this IS a NYT quiddities article, and we all know their tendency to publicize whatever dumb horseshit is being done by well-off pseudo-iconoclasts as if it were a bona-fide trend, you're probably right in that we're making a mountain of a molehill.

the ruling class kings of shit mountain

they quote a NYC public health director in the article who says its fine - nobody has a problem with adults peeing in parks, or hell even the streets, NYC smells like urinetown anyway, there's probably way more to worry about on saturday morning from streets covered in barfly vomit. i'm just saying if you guys wanna be upset with these folks, be honest in your reasons

I can totally get with not wanting to use disposable diapers - which don't decompose and are basically just massive landfill fodder. the pissing and shitting over a trashcan stuff eh not so much.

as a white hipster douchebag I shell out for the compostable diaper service (which didn't even exist 5 years ago when we had our first child. we did a combo of cloth/disposable back then and the mountain of disposable diapers we created still bugs me)

boy_layer

urine is sterile and is not a public health hazard

shit is a different story

nobody has a problem with adults peeing in parks, or hell even the streets,

would imagine some ppl have a problem with adults peeing in the streets