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― jhøshea, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey waitamin I thought Fall Guy was on NBCs on friday nights, not wednesdays. Wasn't Markie Post supposed to be on that show?

― kingfish, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

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― the table is the table, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Ann Coulter's popularity is more easily explained by the simple fact that she fills an under-exploited niche in the punditry: the young(ish), attractive, sort-of-hip female conservative

I think it's basically that crazies on both extremes of the political spectrum are really in love with fascism

"Why did you tell me to come this way, Grizelda? You know I hate nature! Look at those disgusting trees, stealing my oxygen. Oh, I can't stand this scenery another minute. All natural forests should be turned into housing developments! I want cement covering every blade of grass in this nation. Don't we taxpayers have a voice anymore?"

"A single gunshot cannot destroy the beauty of fascism!"

― daria-g, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Auntie Grizelda?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's basically that crazies on both extremes of the political spectrum are really in love with fascism

ugh

― milo z, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's basically that crazies on both extremes of the political spectrum are really in love with fascism

Fascism means something specific, doesn't it? Do you have any examples from the left?

― Sock Puppet, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

crazies on both extremes

i doubt that, but thing is, crazies on the left side ain't the main advertised speakers at big ass party events where they give their blessing for candidates, then get invited on the shouty shows to talk about that.

― kingfish, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I was somewhat being flip but.. mostly I see in political blogosphere where it becomes hyperpartisanship and people wanting their side to win win win 100% of the time and never compromise on anything. Plenty of daily kos commentors expressed the idea that murtha should be majority leader b/c nancy pelosi speaker should be able to do whatever she wants. I'm like are you crazy? murtha isn't even liberal! at all!

― daria-g, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

crazies on the left side ain't the main advertised speakers at big ass party events
Yes, I thought that went without saying b/c obvious

― daria-g, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

DAR1A FOR SAKE OF YOUR MENTAL HEALTH STOP READING KOS COMMENTS

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Plenty of daily kos commentors expressed the idea that murtha should be majority leader b/c nancy pelosi speaker should be able to do whatever she wants. I'm like are you crazy? murtha isn't even liberal! at all!

What does this have to do with fascism? And yes, a lot of the Kos readership is hyper-partisan. That's what unites them, more so than ideology, so that should not come as a big shock.

― Sock Puppet, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Is PelosiUberAlles that much more hyperpartisan than moderate Democrats who froth at the mouth at the idea of third-party voters?

― milo z, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

fascism is a pretty specific historical political phenomenon - and while there have arguably been fascist regimes from both the left (I'm thinkin Peron here) and the right (everyone else) - any and all claims to fascism in America are usually inaccurate and overheated hyperbole.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

fascism /= advocating complete and total control by one side of the political spectrum

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Boht the extreme right and the extreme left have a tendancy toward totalitarianism.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Agreed.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Strictly speaking even nazism isn't fascism, though both are right wing authoritarian movements.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

What part of "being flip" was not clear.. sheesh..

Is PelosiUberAlles that much more hyperpartisan

well yeah, it's a little more crazy!! I can see being upset when having to say "plz make a choice between Dem/GOP candidate, because electing Gore and electing Bush are NOT THE SAME" to 3rd party voters in 00. with 50/50 hindsight and all, those two paths are pretty different. I can't see this "OK we won so now we want Pelosi to be iron lady and do whatever she wants and we're going to flood the phone lines of our own party demanding they go along and not undermine her."

alex I don't read much dKos any more but yesterday I did tell CODEPINK LA that as a feminist I object to their idiot fairy princess costumes

― daria-g, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

those crazy national socialists...

lets just agree that "fascist" is generally as roundly abused and misused an epithet as "communist"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

aw I heat Code Pink.

Little old lady protestors bring a tear to my eye.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I HEART arggh

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Freudian slip?

― Michael White, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I really object to Code Pink. What is liberal about this "we're women, so we have to base our political actions on some vaguely expressed essentialist ideas (women as mothers, daughters, widows, those left behind in wartime) and dress up in PINK"? fuck that. Look at Rosie the Riveter and tell me we're not taking a big step backward with this garbage.

― daria-g, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

so your issue is that you hate associating the color pink with femininity?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Also regarding their tactics, they are pretty much expert at self-marginalizing. I just find it an embarrassment. And I hate this war. It's illegal and wrong. That should be enough basis for a protest and it's worth being serious about such a protest, this isn't a carnival.

― daria-g, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of portmanteau words, what does 'liberal' mean?

― Michael White, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

interesting that you cite the image of a woman being brought into the labor force to build weapons as a preferable icon of femininity.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Why don't you read what I said? Clearly that is not what I said.

― daria-g, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Damn. That was referring to "pink = femininity" as the basis of my issue re codepink. Good lord

― daria-g, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I understand that you were being flip, but can we at least agree that there are qualitative and quantitative differences between the authoritarian left and the authoritarian right in this country?

As per fascism, I think that most of the civilized world is currently operating under a hybrid republican*/corporatist model.

*the form of government, not the party.

― Sock Puppet, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

btw daria "serious" protests don't get press

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

interesting that you cite the image of a woman being brought into the labor force to build weapons as a preferable icon of femininity.

And why not? Half (*) of the social progress for women in the first half of the 20th century came from or after the world wars and our enemies were hardly benign regimes, whatever can be said of us and our allies.

(*)Pulled out of my ass, of course.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that most of the civilized world is currently operating under a hybrid republican*/corporatist model.

Great Britain, Holland, Belgium, Sweden, Spain, Japan, Canada, Denmark, and Australia are all nominally monarchies.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

nothing wrong with it, its just an interesting contrast between two very different ways to project female power (one ostensibly masculine, military, and capitalist - the other maternal, familial, and amorous)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't really want to get into this discussion, but masculine v. maternal doesn't really seem the proper way to frame the difference between Rosie the Riveter and Code Pink. more like for-oneself v. for-others

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't tell which is which in yr estimation - the Code Pink women are only out for themselves? I don't get how that's the case.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

anyway can't we all just agree that Ann Coulter is a velociraptor

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

no, I mean, code pink seems to rely on a model of feminine identity that's defined by how women influence and help others, rather than acting as their own agents. which does seem retrograde.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, like I said, don't really want to have this discussion.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

who are you, Ayn Rand?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, 20th century feminism=objectivism. this is why I didn't want to have this discussion. please.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

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― daria-g, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I was referring to yr explicit priveleging individual agency over collective responsibility, but hey you don't want to have this conversation. you just want to talk about how you don't want to talk. right-o.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

oh Foxpaws

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― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

rather than acting as their own agents

Let's not go too far , here. What's remarkable about Veronika Lake cutting her hair and millions of women working in the war effort isn't that they were doing it all on their own or even for a greater cause, it was that society realized that it needed the 'man'power, that women were just as capable of competently working shit industrial jobs to make ends meet and that once transgressed, the status quo ante was going to be hard to get back in the bag once the war was over, hence the plethora of post-war films about docile wives and viragos getting their come-uppance.

I never fully understand why influencing and helping others isn't a form of agency, though.

― Michael White, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait, Borges has been dead for what, 21 years?

― Michael White, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link

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― A B C, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link

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― Tape Store, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

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