http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/04/29/the-tragedy-of-cooper-union/
― iatee, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:10 (eleven years ago) link
what kind of a douchenozzle talks like this:
I resonate very much to future-oriented thinking about higher education. I assure you that I will be guiding the institution to embrace these technologies and we’re not going to be trapped in the past. I think if we get over this hump there will be so much opportunity… I think we can lead… We don’t have a global brand. We’ve got to build that global brand.
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:13 (eleven years ago) link
Cooper Union has historically not been very well known, even among New Yorkers: they often think it’s some kind of labor union, rather than an undergraduate college.
not really
― velko, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:15 (eleven years ago) link
yeah what? I knew what Cooper Union was before I moved here, and I'm not even in a related field.
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
everyone knew Cooper Union, because it was free
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
also the school with campuses in Santa Fe and Annapolis that only teaches Great Books in tiny classes, because that seemed insane
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
Salmon is a graduate of the University of Glasgow
― velko, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
I once accidentally drove across cooper union, like I thought I was driving down an extension of 7th street or something, but it was actually cooper square
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think ilxors are a very representative sample set for these things, and 'new yorkers'... I think people who spend a lot of time in downtown manhattan probably are going to eventually get some sense of 'there is a school, it is called cooper union' but that doesn't mean they could tell you it has a good architecture program or it's free, more just that there's a building or two near st marks.
― iatee, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
well anyway I think his point is right that it doesn't matter if it's a global name as long as kids in the fields that are relevant know it. Just like pretty much every would-be music major knows Eastman even though its overal national name recognition is probably not huge
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:11 (eleven years ago) link
I also have to wonder how long this has been in the works -- I mean the $175 million mortgage to met life, the new building, I feel like the people running the school can't have been planning to continue to run the school as a little quasi-socialist operation. "Oops, too many bills to pay, guess we'll have to start charging tuition" rings pretty hollow
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:13 (eleven years ago) link
"global brand" is code for money engine, right? Capital doesn't want to see all those resources go to waste.
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
eh it wasn't a conspiracy to turn this into a money machine, it was a conspiracy to 'be the best school at any cost'
― iatee, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I mean it's about the same fiscal strategy NYU is trying to pull with the same disastrous results
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
can't wait for the cooper union dubai campus
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
lol I just made that same joke to someone
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
haha great minds
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/05/09/the-tragedy-of-us-higher-education/
― iatee, Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link
Friend just posted to FB that Elizabeth Warren is supposedly pushing for student loans to be at 0.75% -- I have mixed feelings about this, as I think it will probably just push tuition up as it enables students to borrow more
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
could be combined w/ strings attached to how those loans can be used
― iatee, Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:39 (ten years ago) link
am skeptical that this was intended as more than a gesture tbh
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link
yeah I like Warren but she definitely has the grandstanding gene
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
I also think she probably understands the banking system well enough to understand what the fed discount rate is and why it's not exactly comparable to other kinds of borrowing.
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link
Do states ever force their universities to significantly lower tuition?
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:54 (ten years ago) link
In other related news, Peter Thiel's Class of “20 Under 20” 2013, where you get paid to avoid college:
Over two years, each fellow receives $100,000 from the Thiel Foundation as well as mentorship from the Foundation’s network of tech entrepreneurs, investors, scientists, thought leaders, futurists, and innovators.
http://www.thielfellowship.org/2013/05/announcing-the-2013-class-of-20-under-20-thiel-fellows/
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:01 (ten years ago) link
why would they want to do that? cutting money to higher ed is an implicit tax that gets basically zero blowback from voters.
― iatee, Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link
Why is that necessarily "cutting money to higher ed"? The state can make up the difference.
For example, the University of Georgia's got a $6b budget. Care to guess how much of that comes from tuition?
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link
It's just odd to me that tuition keeps rising and the solution is...cheaper loans?
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:32 (ten years ago) link
if the state is gonna make up the difference it's taking money from something else or raising taxes
― iatee, Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:34 (ten years ago) link
which is harder than just putting some 18 y/os in debt
So making student loans cheaper has no costs associated with it?
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:36 (ten years ago) link
warren's proposal certainly does, which is why it's not gonna happen
― iatee, Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:46 (ten years ago) link
It's almost certainly less expensive for the government to subsidize loans than to lower tuition (or better yet, to increase grant/scholarship money and ideally base it on need.)
And yeah it's a nice gesture for Warren to want to lower debt service. But is lowering the borrowing rate by half going to keep students from being swallowed by the cost of tuition? Doesn't seem like it.
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
or you can replace teachers w/ online courses
― iatee, Friday, 10 May 2013 00:06 (ten years ago) link
and not spend any money
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/05/how-colleges-are-selling-out-the-poor-to-court-the-rich/275725/
And here's the key bit: Many colleges, he argues, appear to be playing an "elaborate shell game," relying on federal grants to cover the costs of needy students while using their own resources to furnish aid to richer undergrads.
"With their relentless pursuit of prestige and revenue," Burd writes, "the nation's public and private four-year colleges and universities are in danger of shutting down what has long been a pathway to the middle class for low-income and working-class students."
― j., Sunday, 12 May 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
Laptop U - The New Yorkerhttp://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/05/20/130520fa_fact_heller?currentPage=all
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Monday, 13 May 2013 22:54 (ten years ago) link
There was a study out a few days ago suggesting that only six or seven percent of MOOC courses are finished by students on average.
Sepetately, this was moderately interesting on the US side:
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/features/feature-social-arts-trample-liberal-arts/2003658.article
“One of the consequences of the invisibility of social class in the US is that women in the wannabe category didn’t understand how much more in the way of resources some of the other young women they were trying to keep up with had,” Armstrong continues. “It took us the whole of the study to realise that the consequences of partying very hard would vary so dramatically.” Seemingly small differences in social background were often greatly magnified through this process.
― хуто-хуторянка (ShariVari), Monday, 13 May 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link
But that is not the kind of higher education most Americans know. The vast majority of people who get education beyond high school do so at community colleges and other regional and nonselective schools. Most who apply are accepted. The teachers there, not all of whom have doctorates or get research support, may seem restless and harried. Students may, too. Some attend school part time, juggling their academic work with family or full-time jobs, and so the dropout rate, and time-to-degree, runs higher than at élite institutions. Many campuses are funded on fumes, or are on thin ice with accreditation boards; there are few quadrangles involved. The coursework often prepares students for specific professions or required skills. If you want to be trained as a medical assistant, there is a track for that. If you want to learn to operate an infrared spectrometer, there is a course to show you how. This is the populist arm of higher education. It accounts for about eighty per cent of colleges in the United States.
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Monday, 13 May 2013 23:12 (ten years ago) link
the article is off on a few things (cost of teaching not the real driving force behind cost of college, but rather bureaucratic bloat, decreasing state funding, cooper union-esque overreach) but overall a pretty good take
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 00:37 (ten years ago) link
The thing that struck me most is that this article reminds me of a lot of hand wringing articles circa the Napster days, where the only sure thing was that the system was likely going through fundamental change.
― I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 02:15 (ten years ago) link
yep. and nobody was paying $40,000 for a cd.
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 02:25 (ten years ago) link
bargain priced shit
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 04:23 (ten years ago) link
plato was on the money about the motive for inquiry after all:
a lovely, earnest young woman who apparently likes scarves, and probably Shelley
― j., Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:29 (ten years ago) link
The cartoon is chucklesome.
― I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 10:31 (ten years ago) link
In that New Yorker cartoon way.
― I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 10:32 (ten years ago) link
http://thenewinquiry.com/blogs/zunguzungu/the-mooc-moment-and-the-end-of-reform/
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link
loved that
― hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link
The key to this piece of rhetorical alchemy is that you can’t over-think it, in the way I just have. Brooks is taking something that lacks prestige and cultural capital—a mode of education that is not valuable, only expensive, not innovative or exciting—and placing the name “Harvard” around it makes it into something that suddenly is both valuable and worthwhile, as a function of Harvard’s symbolic role in American higher education, to define the new cutting edge.
harvard is doing this too
― iatee, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:05 (ten years ago) link
which is the only reason moocs are suddenly relevant, but a real reason why they are
― iatee, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link