what's the deal with guys who insist on sitting with their legs spread far apart even when they're like sitting in coach on an airplane and there's fuck-all leg room in the row?

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I see more women than men driving huge fucking SUVs, Excursions/H2s/Expeditions/et al. than men.

The colonize way more space than anyone airing out his junk.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, let's end this thread NOW.

― Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

This is also a dud. Like a soccer mom needs an Excursion to haul groceries or take her kid to school. They're probably married to the ostentatious ball-airers.

x-post

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Kate, I don't think packrattage is the same thing at all otherwise I'd be in serious trouble on that front too.

*pats Chris on the head for understanding concept simplified because it was expedient to do so*

Milo: women be drivin' SUVs!

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

No, it's not the packrattage that's the issue. It's the blatant refusal to share space. And packrattage is a control issue in and of itself.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Were Riot grrrrls the easiest sub culture to wind up ever by the way?

― chris (chris), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Broken electronics are great though!!!!

― WOLF EYES (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Broken electronics are shite. The only purpose of experimental electronic artists in this world is for them to suck my toes. The end.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

The default minimal-effort sitting position for men is with legs apart - that's just how they go. I suspect 90% of these annoying males (who annoy the tits off me too btw) aren't doing anything consciously or subconsciously, it's just what's comfortable. Doesn't excuse it though.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The default sitting position for humans is with their legs apart. Girls get trained from a very young age that that isn't "ladylike". We don't naturally sit with our legs together or crossed, we've *learned* to do it, discomfort or no. So you males can bloody well LEARN to keep your knees together when sharing space with strangers on public transport!

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

It's the absolute lack of thought or consideration that makes it so fucking annoying though!

"I am MAN! I need and deserve SPACE. Cower and be CRUSHED tiny female."

― Anna (Anna), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

That's what I said, Kate, only without shouting :P

The solution is to spread your legs but only as far as the arm-rests.

(when I drive my moped in the winter, I keep my legs tightly closed to minimise freezing them off. My muscles really ache afterwards, regardless how short the ride it)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

We're talking about the ones who make no effort to adjust themselves to accomodate another person because it's discourteous first and unsettling on a 'who's got the phallus?' level second. I think you can assume that a male passenger who does not make some movement to acknowledge another person's presence, even to say 'I'd move these legs but feh, the legroom' is at best inconsiderate and at worst an utter tool (of the patriarchy haha).

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

how about "excuse me, could you move in a bit?" as a way to ask somebody to close their legs politely?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Surely the phallus-imposition ("Nobody expects the phallus imposition!") is more aimed at the person sitting opposite - isn't it?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Nono Sterl, going for the "YOU HAVE LUNGS FOR NUTZ" gambit is the most rational response.

I'm imagining the breath support I could manage if I was smuggling lungs in my jeans. FINALLY A USEFUL BODYMOD.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fuck the diaphragm, breathe from your lungnuts!"

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"Unfortunately Perry's method of circular breathing required him to sing perched on a swivel chair."

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Sterl: because it's something people get sick of asking for, because when the situation is me sitting and I'm about to be joined on the shared seat I always shift up a bit in acknowledgement/anticipation of sharing. Very few ball-airers do this.

Mark: hahaha yes that's true as well. Nothing like seeing some profusely sweating lawyer with perspiration stains across the gusset of his suit trousers to remind me that HE'S GOT THE PHALLUS.

(we're all at the same place WRT the difference between penii and The Phallus, right?)

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Aha, the penii drops...

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

That's a phallus-cy.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

phallus is the mindkiller
phallus is the little death that brings total oblivion
i will face my phallus
i will permit it to pass over me and through me

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan: Lungnuts v. Wingnuts FITE!

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Clearly the answer is to wear a short skirt and strap-on while on the tube. So to speak.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha "on the tube"!

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a joke about level pegging in there somewhere but...no, it's gone...

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

My favorites are the guys who SLOUCH REAL LOW and spread their legs out to 120 degrees, like their crotches are Penis Flytraps.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Do they have trousers the same material as the seats?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

we're all at the same place WRT the difference between penii and The Phallus, right?

Women be the phallus!

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Sitting with my legs completely paralled gives me the world's WORST leg cramps

erm, hi. as the person sitting next to you who HAS to sit with her legs closed, i gotta say ME FUCKING TOO. thanks for the consideration, pal.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Any time! *stretches out, gets comfortable*

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Such pervertalism.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

and there's a definite double standard here b/c a woman would NEVER EVER EVER get away with sitting legs akimbo; she'd be called a selfish filthy whore and she'd probably get arrested for indecency.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Well yes, if she was sitting with her legs apart and was firing exploding pellets out of her vagina at the people across the aisle, she would most likely get arrested.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost - In Victorian London, you are correct.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

you men are all so fucking deluded.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

see also "racism doesn't exist anymore cuz there's like civil rights now and stuff"

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, calling out blatant hyperbole is exactly the same thing as saying that sexism no longer exists. Well done, Marilyn Vos Savant.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno, Jody, tell that to the huge pile of shouty obnoxious bitches who were sitting quite all spread out on the subway last night down to Penn Station...they didn't seem to fear arrest. Unfortunately.

couldn't you just ask the person to move over a bit?

― Allyzay, Monday, 14 June 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

on a plane? no i couldn't.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, you can, actually.

― Allyzay, Monday, 14 June 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

"I realize you're airing your lungnuts, but would you mind terribly removing your knee from my right titteh? Thanx and smooches."

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I HATE YOU AIRPLANE PEOPLE! I HATE YOU SO MUCH I AM AN ANGRY BEAR!

http://www.timnortonart.com/paintings/symbolic/angry-bear.jpg

*LIGHTNING!!!

― ARL (Adrian Langston), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, shooting lightning out of your mouth is WAY more intrusive than sitting with your legs apart.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.timnortonart.com/paintings/symbolic/escort.jpg

fly Air Glaucoma

― ARL (Adrian Langston), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

velvet elvis bear art saves the day once again!

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

the best part is that the angry bear picture costs $800! just looking at it is like being pleasured by majestic sloths with fronds in place of their claws

― ARL (Adrian Langston), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I want that bear painting to be on the cover of my album someday.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i only do this when i am wearing a kilt.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm glad you're not ashamed of your caledonian roots

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

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My God, sleep deprivation does odd things to me.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

dude JW I defended your kind.

― Allyzay Highlights The Fallacy of Radiohead (allyzay), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

http://ed101.bu.edu/StudentDoc/Archives/ED101sp09/jhaj/People/king%20george%20III.gif

― A frenzied geologist (Tom D.), Friday, 25 April 2014 13:10 (ten years ago) link

Too bad Jefferson didn't add this to his list of indictments in the Declaration of Independence

― J'ai toujours préféré la folie des passions à la sagesse de (Michael White), Friday, 25 April 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link

Also this thread manages to completely ignore the real villains; the capitalist space hoarders who don't provide ppl enough room to sit comfortably on various forms of transport.

― J'ai toujours préféré la folie des passions à la sagesse de (Michael White), Friday, 25 April 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link

i am not a large person but i find the CTA seats (especially on the newer trains, which are awful) uncomfortably small. there have been instances where someone will attempt to sit down in the seat next to me and more or less sit directly on my leg.

― clouds, Friday, 25 April 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link

i have to sit like this to fit in the seat even on the airplanes that supposedly have more legroom than the norm

― ciderpress, Friday, 25 April 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link

I've had this "discussion" w/my gf. I cross my legs alot (which can be even worse space-wise and I avoid it on crowded transport) but is it cool if my knees are no wider apart than my shoulders? Sometimes the nads are sensitive and prone to pain. I don't want to be the db who imposes on someone else's space but can I get credit for a couple extra inches of knee space for appendages that womenfolk don't possess or is that bad? God knows I've had some bosoms (and God knows what other appendages) pressed into my back on crowded evening buses and I've made exceptions for things which aren't voluntary.

― J'ai toujours préféré la folie des passions à la sagesse de (Michael White), Friday, 25 April 2014 23:15 (ten years ago) link

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