― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link
At some point, even if this was floated as a bluff, there has to be some core of truth in it, and that core of obstinance can easily take on a life of its own. If push comes to shove, Bush would order nukes on Iran. Don't doubt it. OTOH, Iran recently fought a very bloody war with Iraq where they lost something like 800,000 dead. They won't be bluffed all that easily.
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
Well, obviously much may relate to more localized changes and me just getting older, but the two things I feel most keenly are a) personalization of politics and b) the nationalist/religious tint of the country. People seem to have much more difficulty having any kind of civilized political discussion. "Democrats" see "Republicans" as fascists, "conservatives" see "liberals" as traitors, etc. etc. Facts that don't agree with your point of view are discarded almost immediately as spin or fabrication by the other side. _Everything_ that appears in the media is a "lie," leaving most people essentially to convince themselves based on inchoate impressions.
Not incredibly sophisticated analysis, and obviously something that has been going on to some degree for 30+ years.
that core of obstinance can easily take on a life of its own
I agree with this, but look how long it took for that obstinance to get the US back into Iraq. Unless Teheran starts taking really overt steps, Bush will be long gone before this problem really gains legs.
― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Sealab Gets Topical!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link
i dunno if this is rhetorical but it took bush only two years from after his inauguration, and a year & a half after 9/11
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― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Different Strokes, Etc) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh, I know.
― Dan (Couldn't Stop Myself) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Dan (... Where Are You Going With This?) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
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Iran's somewhat different in that we don't have quite the same public-facing ongoing campaign and it's been rhetoric so far...
― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Let's have fun--list all the reasons Cheney wouldn't allow this:
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link
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'noooooo!!!!'
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― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 6 July 2006 01:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link
Too strong.
"At the Security Council, where they have to protect security, they enjoy the veto right. If anybody confronts them, there is no place to take complaints to."
Whether we like it or not, Mahmoud OTM.
― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link
"Pompeo Blames""U.S. Claims""President Is Forced"The educated class are the most indoctrinated, their warped minds trying to sell yet another war. Feral beasts baying in material comfort. pic.twitter.com/pAY7zSEu9a— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 14, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 June 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
"president is forced to pick his strategy"
well, that should go well
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 14 June 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
What's wrong with 'Pompeo Blames' and 'US Claims'?
― Frederik B, Sunday, 16 June 2019 13:01 (four years ago) link
'indeed!'
― anvil, Sunday, 16 June 2019 13:02 (four years ago) link