Bo Diddley!

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minstrelry continued until the 50s...but that was its last gasp. again, i wasn't saying that diddley was directly influenced by some minstrel-stage act or other, just that a lot of the "black culture" he taps into had as much of a stage/popular origin as a "folk" origin. or so goes my thesis.

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

according to Etta James, Bo filmed 8mm pornographic movies of his fellow R n B stars "in action."

has anybody mentioned "You Can't Judge A Book By It's Cover"?

rumple, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

its.

Just think of Bo manning that movie camera...

rumple, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i wonder if he got big mama thornton...hound dog is a dirty dirty record. i'd say chuck was in there.
('Nursery rhymes'is my fave BO tune).

Muffy, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

minstrelry continued until the 50s...but that was its last gasp. again, i wasn't saying that diddley was directly influenced by some minstrel-stage act or other, just that a lot of the "black culture" he taps into had as much of a stage/popular origin as a "folk" origin. or so goes my thesis.

yeah, I understood that. I mean minstrelsy was the basis for modern american culture, certainly pop music as we know it. so there were minstrel shows up until the '50s? you mean what, the rabbit foot minstrels or something? big stage shows with cakewalks and white and black folks blacking up their faces? i don't know, i'd like to know what these were. again, my understanding is that minstrelsy was over by the '20s. please enlighten me, i'm interested in this subject having read tosches' "dead voices gather" and the excellent, excellent book by dave wondrich "stomp and swerve."

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

well there were blackface comedy troupes/duos playing around the south until the early 50s or so (jamup and honey, etc.).... but it was in decline by WWI so you probably have the more correct point.

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I can see the interplay with Jerome, the insults and stuff, as being very traceable back to that tradition. It's unfortunate that it's become such a loaded subject that it's hard to discuss now.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

see Spike Lee's "Bamboozled" for further loading

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: say, man vs ya mama

P$, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: Bo Diddley's Jerome vs Morris Day's Jerome

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

shit, minstrelsy is not really a loaded subject, is it? good ol' american showbiz is what it was. i live amongst southern rednecks who still use those racially derogatory terms and who don't know about bert williams or in fact much of anything. they're grillin' venison and grooving to alan jackson. minstrelsy is the foundation of everything we're talking about here, and now that bush has been re-elected by our good southern baptists, i say we get it all out in the open and unload it for those who still feel some kind of antiquated conflict about these matters (not you, martin, i don't mean you). this goddam election has really pissed me off..

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 4 November 2004 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I have an Alan Freed aircheck in which he plays the then-new "Bo Diddley," noting happily that "this guy calls himself Bo Diddley" and that the "song is about a hundred years old."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 4 November 2004 06:42 (nineteen years ago) link

that's a conservative measure

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 4 November 2004 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh heh. I was listening to "Bo Diddley in the Spotlight" a lot the week "Love & Theft" came out, and they complemented each other nicely. I still wish Dylan would cover something like "Live My Life."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and an editor of mine once took Bo on a tour of Richmond, Va., pawn shops for a story.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Fact Checking Cuz, re: Dearest Darling -- You read my mind. It's tender-hearted yet terrifying. I really like how time and space and even death mean nothing to Bo Diddley.

Another ace song: Doing the Crawdaddy. The best parts are his comments to the kids, like "you lookin' good - you been eatin' regular?"

Vampire Submarine (VampireSubmarine), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

The first sequence of "John Lennon: Sweet Toronto" is an electrifying Bo Diddley set intercut with POV motorcycle gang footage. A-mazing.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
i got beach party, but havent played it yet

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 11:02 (eighteen years ago) link

whatchoo waitin for?? the world could end at any minute

detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I love Bo Diddley so much. He's my hero. I have all his classic stuff, so I started looking over his latter-day output. He had a 1994 EP called "Promises". The second-to-last song is called "I'm Gonna Get Your Girlfriend". The last song is called "She Wasn't Raped".

"She Wasn't Raped"????

Does anyone have any info on this? Google and s1sk don't. I'd like to hear it, but would be happy just to read the lyrics.

O-Keigh, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 04:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I bought Bo Diddley Is a Gunslinger for my Dad for Christmas. Such a great album cover, but I couldn't believe how much it 'rocks'. And some of the songs have such original sounds. Check 'Cheyenne', which has this mental electro-xylophone thing oscillating through it like it's straight off a library record.

Mestema (davidcorp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Quite possibly my favourite of the original '50s rockers.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link

If you don't own The Chess Box you should. Robert Palmer's liner notes are urgent & key (just re-read them last week, SO good).

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The albums that has the song "She Wasn't Raped" is on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/BO-DIDDLEY-PROMISES-CD-ADOBE-BROTHERS-1994-TRIPLE-X-OOP_W0QQitemZ4848622001QQcategoryZ307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Lloyd Bonecutter (Lloyd Bonecutter), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
BO DIDDLEY RULES, THE BEST EVER.

Tom Ant Chairs, Friday, 21 April 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't read every post, so apologies if this has already been said, but "if you think Elvis invented rock'n'roll, you don't know Diddley" has to be one of my favorite quotes of all time.

Although I love most of his stuff, my favorite song performed by Bo is "Can't Judge a Book By Its Cover". Great lyrics (written by Willie Dixon) delivered with Bo's style.

shorty (shorty), Friday, 21 April 2006 08:55 (eighteen years ago) link

he's playing at the local Casino next week. Is he still worth seeing? Or would it just make me sad?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

got a tombstone hand and a graveyard mind
I'm just 22 and I don't mind dyin'

that just needs to be repeated.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Friday, 21 April 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm willing to bet Bo can still put on a great show Huk....

shorty (shorty), Friday, 21 April 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

derek bailey owes about 2/3rds of his vocabulary to bo's "mumblin' guitar."

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i keep meaning to write an essay about ray charles singing country vs diddley singing country, but i never do...

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 22 April 2006 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Where's the best place to start with Bo Diddley? A best of?

Sahin, Saturday, 22 April 2006 10:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, probably "his best" on chess/mca


the robert palmer notes to the box set are great but that thing's a beast...hasn't been repackaged to a more manageable size since it arrived 15 years ago.

amateurist0, Saturday, 22 April 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Bo is the best.

Everything anyone ever needs to know is in "Pretty Thing"!

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Sunday, 23 April 2006 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm willing to bet Bo can still put on a great show Huk....
-- shorty (inf...), April 21st, 2006.

I would not be so sure. My brother saw him many years back and said Bo just coasted through a show (and I think he, as Chuck Berry does, just used a local pickup band).

curmudgeon, Sunday, 23 April 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I say the box set is the best place to start -- Amateurist noted its unwieldy packaging, but there are only two CDs. If you display the set on your shelf, you get credit for a box set when it's only a double -- kids, impress your friends!

To Huk-L: Yes, see him! I've seen him twice in the last few years. He's lost a few toes to diabetes and can't dance anymore, but it was still really great to see him. And yeah, he doesn't have his own band and the hired hands just do a really basic Bo Beat the whole time, but he's Bo fuckin' Diddley fer pete's sake. If Jesus were playing my local casino, I wouldn't expect him to do all the fish-multiplication and water to wine business, I'd just be stoked to see JC in real life. Ditto Bo.

And the best part of the last Bo show I saw: Apropos of nothing (I think he was in the middle of a twenty minute rap detailing his plans to steal my girlfriend) he goes "I'm a Rock'n'Roll Vampire! Nyyeeep! Nyyyyeeep!"

O-Keigh (O-Keigh), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

TS: Bo Diddley vs. Jesus

Bo, no doubt.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Alright so "Beach Party" is basically the most insane record ever

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 2 October 2006 03:01 (seventeen years ago) link

really wanna find a copy of it. it's not on CD is it?

H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 2 October 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

what's the story?

jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 2 October 2006 05:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i think bo's beach party has been reissued on LP. check norton or crypt or something.

disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Monday, 2 October 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i just checked crypt; maybe i'm wrong.

disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Monday, 2 October 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Fuck Chuck Berry; Bo Diddley is not only the father of all that's wonderful in rock-n-roll hence, but every worthy pop posture is traceable directly back to the man in a lineage that cannot but shame his generations-removed students.

libcrypt, Saturday, 31 May 2008 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link

according to Etta James, Bo filmed 8mm pornographic movies of his fellow R n B stars "in action."

somehow i doubt this was mentioned at the funeral.

hey -- i started this thread! more than five years ago!

amateurist, Sunday, 8 June 2008 12:31 (fifteen years ago) link

BRING IT ON HOME
BRING IT TO JEROME

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 8 June 2008 21:19 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

The Bo Diddley compilation Tales From the Funk Dimension 1970-73 that is on Raven is a good listen. I heard some tracks off of Bo's record "Black Gladiator" from 1970 on Youtube and thought they sounded really cool. None of those early 70s records have really been issued on CD much, but this comp was out there. It's a solid compilation all the way through, real funky and the early stuff is really unhinged. I'd love to have saw him live back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbRaBxSGIoc

earlnash, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

Our old pal Timi Yuro was otm

Cowsill Communication (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

I love this story, surprised it's not in the thread:

On November 20, 1955, he appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show, a popular television variety show, where he infuriated the host. "I did two songs and he got mad," Bo Diddley later recalled. "Ed Sullivan said that I was one of the first colored boys to ever double-cross him. Said that I wouldn't last six months". The show had requested that he sing the Merle Travis-penned Tennessee Ernie Ford hit "Sixteen Tons", but when he appeared on stage, he sang "Bo Diddley" instead. This substitution resulted in his being banned from further appearances.

The request came about because Sullivan's people heard Diddley casually singing "Sixteen Tons" in the dressing room. Diddley's accounts of the event were inconsistent.[21]

Diddley was an excellent story teller whose stories varied from time to time, however, Diddley contended to friends and family that he was not trying to double-cross Sullivan and attributed the "misunderstanding" to the fact that; when he saw "Bo Diddley" on a cue card, he was under the impression he was to perform two songs, "Bo Diddley" and "Sixteen Tons".

space phwoar (Hurting 2), Monday, 25 March 2013 13:48 (eleven years ago) link

I'm really frustyrated that i still haven't managed to find that Raven Tales From The Funk Dimension compi somebody else mentions somewhere above, not seen it in a couple of years.

Other than that I keep being impressed by how some of his tracks must have sounded like the meeting point between futuristic sound and deep ancient African stuff when they were first heard. Keep getting flashes of that when I hear Mona come up on my walkman. Guitars sound like streamlined tailfins or something. I'm also struck by the idea for the timeless minutes you're listening to that track you're not that distant from where QMS took it & the template for their treatment of the track seems to be already there in the track, they just stayed out there in freeflight a bit longer. Freeflight is already present in Bo though. like aerodynamic capturing of light or something else I'm having trouble expressing if that issn't coming across.

Stevolende, Monday, 25 March 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

Give me a second, I'll figure this out.

clemenza, Monday, 25 May 2020 12:06 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGa7Qs291VM

clemenza, Monday, 25 May 2020 12:08 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

"Look at Grandma what you tryin to do"

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 May 2022 16:21 (one year ago) link

is this the best thing he did after his 50s-60s heyday? I like this one a whole lot all the way through, but some of the other stuff I’ve heard from the 70s didn’t quite match up.

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Monday, 23 May 2022 16:34 (one year ago) link

THe turn of the 70s funk stuff is quite good in places. The Raven set of that stuff was pretty solid not 100% sure about all of the individual lps.

Stevolende, Monday, 23 May 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link

that weird guitar break in "hey jerome" is one of the funkiest things ever

Heez, Monday, 23 May 2022 17:15 (one year ago) link

yeah I love that sort of metallic percussive thing he’s doing throughout.

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:38 (one year ago) link


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