Taking Sides: Led Zeppelin Vol. 4 vs. Black Sabbath Vol.4

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Close call but... Zeppelin WINS!

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Friday, 19 March 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

>the Police (along with U2) are probably the most listenable 80s new wave/modern rock guitar singles band

You think so? I'd rather listen to the Cars for a week than the Police for an hour.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 19 March 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

And I'd rather set my head on fire than listen to U2, but that goes without saying.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 19 March 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

I really really like lz4, and it's not over exposed for me b/c in my post-punk rigour (which somehow never stopped me liking prog rock haha) I kind of dismissed it b/c of "stairway to heaven" which is a bit naff still, really. I listen to the rest of thee album quite often. OTOH, "wheels of confusion" does pwn anything on it. I put them about even w/r/t how much I like them.

I picked up the castle remasters a little while ago, b/c they were in hmv's sale and they sound fine to me.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 19 March 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

phil freeman is totally OTM re: cars/police and u2.

i should probably give led zeppelin another chance: i thought they were awesome (especially LZIV) when i was 15, but i haven't really been able to listen to them much since.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 19 March 2004 23:18 (twenty years ago) link

although mr freeman is OTM and w/ all due respects to mr subramanian, i cannot let this pass w/t comment:

And I realized in a pub a little while ago that the Police (along with U2) are probably the most listenable 80s new wave/modern rock guitar singles band, which says something about 80s new wave/modern rock.

um, i think that it says more about you and yer tastes than it does about 80s new wave/modern rock, sundar.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 19 March 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago) link

(That was kind of an implied point, yeah. FWIW there was a time when the Smiths and old REM were among my favourite bands ever. Now that I never listen to that stuff at home, they really don't sound as good in a club or pub or on the radio as The Police. I totally don't get what's supposed to be so good about The Cars. They're OK but they sound so totally off-the-cuff. The Police sound like they put effort into writing and playing their songs. I have some pleasant memories of "Best Friend's Girl" I guess though. U2 are pretty cool if you tune out the singing and pretend every song is an ambient guitar instrumental.)

I'll check out Vol 4 soon. No, Led Zeppelin isn't kitsch for me.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 20 March 2004 00:19 (twenty years ago) link

"masters of confusion" & "paranoid" beat most zeppelin, but Vol. 4 is no IV.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Saturday, 20 March 2004 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

The correct answer is Never Say Die, thanks for playing everybody

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 20 March 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

Although I admittedly don't actually give much of a shit about punk rock at this point, which might be closer to whatever point Ian trying to make if he had one.

I sure wasn't talking about you specifically, but yeah, you found the point.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 20 March 2004 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

I put on LZ4 a couple days ago because of this thread. I was into it for the first two songs. "Battle of Evermore" and "Stairway to Heaven" actually felt like empty pomp, even a little over-sweet in StH's case, not connecting as much as they did either a) when I was 13 or b) when I was stoned all the time. I had no motivation to listen to the second side because I remembered that it had sounded underwhelming the previous time I'd listened to it. Physical Graffiti seems to hold up much better at the moment (but not really "Kashmir", weirdly). I'm pretty sure, however, that the answer is not that I need to listen to more Black Sabbath (or more punk rock).

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 05:52 (twenty years ago) link

No, I think you should listen to more Black Sabbath but I think that for everyone. (I bought and read the paperback update of Ian's book over the weekend and find myself thinking better of Black Sabbath than ever before.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 06:17 (twenty years ago) link

four years pass...

http://bagginsshoes.com/images/converse/107188-660.jpg

craig sager (eman), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 00:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Great shoes.

I wasn't around for the original thread, but Vol. 4 absolutely destroys the weak, overplayed IV.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

(this is a bit blecch, but:)

Black Sabbath Vol. 4 : Billy Costigan, Jr. :: Zoso : Colin Sullivan

Roy Orbison is really just the male Patsy Cline (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 00:51 (fifteen years ago) link

"Stairway To Heaven" Vs. "Changes".

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link

There was a time when I'd say Zoso without a doubt, but I'm so burned out on Zeppelin that right now I'd rather hear Vol. 4.

redmond, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Zep.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Zep.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 07:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Wrong.

Wrong.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Listening to Sabbath's Vol 4 again tonight - I've often said that this is my least favourite of Sabbath's LP's from Black Sabbath up to Sabotage but tonight it seems to be hitting the spot. I guess the reason I've always considered this one to be my least favourite is because of its really trebly sound - I tend to put that down to the bands choice of recreational substances at the time. The material itself is great, but does it ever need more low end.

Also, I'm convinced that 'FX' sounded utterly mindblowing to them when it was laid down on tape at the time. Whenever I hear it, I always feel I will never hear it as they must have heard it.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Saturday, 8 April 2017 23:47 (seven years ago) link

SABBATH

dance cum rituals (Moka), Sunday, 9 April 2017 03:15 (seven years ago) link

But LZIV is also pretty good tho I prefer III or HoH instead.

dance cum rituals (Moka), Sunday, 9 April 2017 03:16 (seven years ago) link

LZIV is harder to assess if by the time you were born and old enough to listen to and enjoy music, the entire album was ubiquitous on 'classic rock' radio. by the time I actually got LZIV as a gift, I'd heard like 75% of the album already.

that said, the songs on it are all fuckin classic, think it gets the nod over Sab's admittedly dope Vol IV.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 9 April 2017 05:47 (seven years ago) link

It's clearly a different story in America, but prior to digital radio I remember hearing Led Zeppelin get played on the radio once, maybe twice and it was always 'Stairway to Heaven' ... even on VH-1, which used to show a lot of music from the '60s and '70s, I saw videos of 'Dazed and Confused' and 'Over the Hills and Far Away' maybe once each.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 9 April 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link

sabbath

the late great, Sunday, 9 April 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link

I saw dis thread on SNA was like "I bet I started this shit" and sho nuff

calstars, Sunday, 9 April 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link

Of the two, I (obviously) prefer Led Zeppelin, but just imagine Black Sabbath's Vol 4 with Led Zeppelin IV's production values...

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link

Supernaut is the best thing BS ever did and the production is perfect

calstars, Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link

I think it's a shame that they weren't allowed to use their intended title. Snowblind would have been the perfect title for the record.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 9 April 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link

Were they consciously quoting LZ here?

calstars, Sunday, 9 April 2017 22:39 (seven years ago) link

I've always wondered. I mean Rat Salad is a poor man's Moby Dick so it wouldn't be the first time

calstars, Sunday, 9 April 2017 22:40 (seven years ago) link

I've never really thought about it that way, I just assumed they called it Vol 4 because they weren't allowed to call it Snowblind and didn't have any other last minute idea of what to call it, but now that you've mentioned it, there may have been a little bit of "let's do what Zep do and just number it!"

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 9 April 2017 22:45 (seven years ago) link

I mean the album title of course

calstars, Sunday, 9 April 2017 22:46 (seven years ago) link

snowblind is probably my favorite sabbath track these days

the late great, Sunday, 9 April 2017 22:54 (seven years ago) link

"The great COKE-cola etc of LA"

calstars, Sunday, 9 April 2017 23:06 (seven years ago) link

SUPERNAUT

a but (brimstead), Monday, 10 April 2017 00:17 (seven years ago) link

yessum

calstars, Monday, 10 April 2017 00:26 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Was it illusion?

calstars, Sunday, 16 February 2020 01:11 (four years ago) link

Don’t have a horse in this race, like both bands but for all the virtuosity on display Zep still sounds like Blue Men Singing the Whites, whereas there is some kind of sui generis Horror meets Machine Age thing about Sabbath that reminds me of what I imagine the gizmo that took Tony’s fingertips sounded like, so them.

He’s the Listener DJ, I’m the Listener Rapper (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link

it's sabbath and it's not even close

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link

With Geezer’s bass being the elastic drive belt.

He’s the Listener DJ, I’m the Listener Rapper (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 18:29 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

Sabbath but both bands are kinda laughable when they get off the riffs.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 9 October 2020 15:33 (three years ago) link


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