I really, really dislike Ultragrrl [edited title - mod]

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True. I was just thinking about how "Ultragrrl" is in the title of her book, and wondering if that was a smart choice, but then figured that's how most people know her, if they know her at all.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

ok, now she deserves a hard titty-twister

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

She's been immortalized by her countless appearances on such fine VH1 programs as "Awesomely Bad Songs of 2004" and "The Fugliest Rockstars EVA."

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

again, I don't know how anyone could envy her and therefore hate her. Unless you're mad she's tainting otherwise fine VH1 programming.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't know who this thread is about, but I find the title distasteful. I hope you can curb some of these impulses and find an untapped font of positive energy.

Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Shut it hippie.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

You're not really trying, I feel.

Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

We've had other Ultragrrl (and how bad she sucks) thread before, no? I seem to remember suggesting that she should be fired out of a large poop canon into a murky peat bog.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Good one.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread is too "negi" we need more "posi" threads

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

No idea who ultragrrrl is, this thread is a pretty repellent advert for ILX tho.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

otm

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm out of it. what does OTM mean?

breezy, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

For what it's worth, people here at "the label" were v. excited when she mentioned one of our fine products that we sent to her. So there is at least a perception of influence.

Then again, people send me free stuff, and I do things like post pictures of Chinese bridal parties, so it's most likely everyone involved is just deluded rather than actively evil.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

what label eppy?

breezy, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Right, Right, fire me out a poo cannon or whatever, flog me with fruit or animals, but shoot me and draw blood and upset my family and friends in the process? That's catching the idiot bus to Wrongville.

Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

poop canon

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh my! Thanks for correcting my mistake, that could have caused real offense.

Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Ultra who?

feminazi (feminazi), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

this thread is pretty vile

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm out of it. what does OTM mean?

-- breezy (breezypoint7...), June 7th, 2005

"oh, too malicious"

on the mark/on the money

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post

Not as vile as that one site that kept calling her "Jewish" as an insult. And not even in a funny way!

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

strgo otm

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks latebloomer, i guess on the mark, but in some cases it didn't make sense

breezy, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I spit water all over the place at the "murky peat bog" comment!

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

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feminazi (feminazi), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I wasn't correcting you!

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Her book's not out yet. It's coming either this fall or early next year.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that really her book? I thought someone had photoshopped a not very funny joke.

h0t h0t h0rsey (Carey), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

That is really her book. Google it!

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, it's real.

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link

if you take her out brainwasher, there are still so many others. its exhausting just to think about it.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Jon, in fine years time when you have a steady job and are seeing a nice girl from a good family, this and all other things like it will cease to have any relevance at all.

What are we talking about again?

Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link

ilm: now 76% creepier.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't doubt that she takes her music as seriously as the rest of us do, but there's just something about the flagrant scenesterism about her whole schitck that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I mean, I probably like a lot of the same crappy bands she does, but more because their music appeals to me, and not because I want to swap spit with their bass player.

I actually intened at SPIN in 1989, and my then-boss (if you can call her a boss, being that I wasn't getting paid or anything....just ripping off tons of SPIN "sportswear" and albums that Legs McNeil wasn't going to touch with a ten foot barge pole) had a similar sort've aesthetic as Ultragrrrl. She'd fawn and swoon over bands like the Wonder Stuff, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, EAT, Kingmaker, etc. etc. I mean, I liked these bands as well -- but evidently for very different reasons (while I thought he was dead cool at the time, I harbored no desire to get in Miles Hunt's trousers). She later moved onto another job that dealt more with TV/movies and applied the same sort've approach there (and seemingly completely lost interest in music).

In re-reading this, I'm realizing that I'm sounding like a pompous, sexist rock snob (I know...SHOCKAH!). Liking bands primarily because you want to sleep with them just seems kinda shallow and stupid to me.

Moreover, the whole premise of her book (not that I've read it, mind you) just sort've smacks of striving to make the right IMPRESSION. It's like those Rolling Stone guides from about a decade back (remember them? They were sized like a compact disc). They'd espouse albums seemingly solely for folks who just wanted to have the "right" discs on their shelves, so when people came over, they'd say: "Ooh, Gerald, you're so ecclectic! You have LL Cool J AND Slint!"

Then again, I haven't read her book: Maybe she talks more about resources with which to find out about new and or obscure music, as opposed to musicians who are really cute and shaggable. But I doubt it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Exactly!!!

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Liking bands because they're shaggable seems as natural as liking them for their music to be honest - not that I'm saying that anyone does...

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

No, it doesn't. I think the girls in BOND are entirely sexy and shaggable and whatnot, but I'd sooner suck a car's muffler than actively listen to their music.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

She'd fawn and swoon over bands like the Wonder Stuff, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, EAT, Kingmaker, etc. etc. I mean, I liked these bands as well -- but evidently for very different reasons

A Too Much Joy song comes to mind.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

So let's see, judging from the cover, step one to building The Best Music Library is obtaining the Killers' Hot Fuss. Or at least a pink button that says so.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

"Long Haired Guy from England" is her life in a nutshell, Ned, yes.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and I found that other Ultragrrrl thread....

On VH1 right now, SPIN's Sarah "Ultragrrrl" Lewitinn just called Eminem's "Lose Yourself" one of "the greatest pop songs....EVER!"

I didn't actually say I wanted to shoot her out of a poop canon, but I did say she made me want to blow up the world....which is still more or less true. That said, this thread did devolve into a discussion about her arguable "chunky troll legs," which seemed a bit offsides.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Liking bands because they're shaggable seems as natural as liking them for their music to be honest - not that I'm saying that anyone does...

No, it doesn't. I think the girls in BOND are entirely sexy and shaggable and whatnot, but I'd sooner suck a car's muffler than actively listen to their music.

Aren't you confusing liking a band and liking their music?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

No, it doesn't. I think the girls in BOND are entirely sexy and shaggable and whatnot, but I'd sooner suck a car's muffler than actively listen to their music.

Well, you don't have to listen to their music. Who are BOND? I thought you were talking about the film franchise for a moment.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Also a thread STARTING by saying you'd like to shoot someone in the face for their musical taste is a bit fucking offside to me!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude, she likes .... THE KILLERS.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

lots of people like the Killers on ILM.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

There are lots of idiots on ILM.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I would like to read more interviews with hip people five years after anyone who once had, stopped giving a shit about them.

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 30 January 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

is it too soon for hipster grifter?

Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 January 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link

lol

J0rdan S., Monday, 30 January 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link

I was going to wait at least one more year before busting out my korean abgom-jabbar dn

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 30 January 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

motorjew??

j., Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:09 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

I was recently called out on Twitter about this thread. Suffice to say, back in the late 90's through early 2000's, I expressed a profoundly ill-advised selection of roundly ill-advised, insensitive and objectionable comments here, usually couched within the frequently missed understanding that I should not be taken so deathly seriously.

Some people may have gleaned as much, but others did not. It is certainly not a a testament to my abilities to convey my genuine points that my venom and bluster was so routinely taken at face value. Moreover, I was probably frequently inconsiderate, unthinking and impulsive about the things I contributed here.

In short, I was a callously unthinking dick quite a lot of the time. Having big opinions about things shouldn't give one license to behave like I did, and I was out of line on more than a few occasions, this thread being just one of them.

In any case, I believe I penned a mea culpa on my blog some years ago to the same effect but it bears repeating. I am sorry. I did not mean any harm. I was foolish and stupid. I sincerely apologize to Ultrragrrl, Scout Niblett and any number of other targets i singled out for spleen-venting.

I regret it all.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 20 April 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link

"I expressed a profoundly ill-advised selection of roundly ill-advised.."

Awful.

One more thing on this: i used to blithely suggest that no one's day should be ruined by something they read on a public forum about music, as if that was some shiny badge that enabled me to be callous, boorish, pig-headed and insulting. Well, that's a pile of crap, and I again apologize. Regardless of the subject matter of a discussion, there's never an excuse for being a belittling jerk. I was and am that jerk, and I apologize again.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 20 April 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link


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