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so much/many of apple's software/services is/are terrible and hacky atm

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 20 May 2013 23:42 (ten years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/business/apple-avoided-billions-in-taxes-congressional-panel-says.html?hp

May 20, 2013
Apple’s Web of Tax Shelters Saved It Billions, Panel Finds
By NELSON D. SCHWARTZ and CHARLES DUHIGG
WASHINGTON — Even as Apple became the nation’s most profitable technology company, it avoided billions in taxes in the United States and around the world through a web of subsidiaries so complex it spanned continents and went beyond anything most experts had ever seen, Congressional investigators disclosed on Monday.

The investigation is expected to set up a potentially explosive confrontation between a bipartisan group of lawmakers and Timothy D. Cook, Apple’s chief executive, at a public hearing on Tuesday.

Congressional investigators found that some of Apple’s subsidiaries had no employees and were largely run by top officials from the company’s headquarters in Cupertino, Calif. But by officially locating them in places like Ireland, Apple was able to, in effect, make them stateless — exempt from taxes, record-keeping laws and the need for the subsidiaries to even file tax returns anywhere in the world.

“Apple wasn’t satisfied with shifting its profits to a low-tax offshore tax haven,” said Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who is chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations that is holding the public hearing Tuesday into Apple’s use of tax havens. “Apple successfully sought the holy grail of tax avoidance. It has created offshore entities holding tens of billions of dollars while claiming to be tax resident nowhere.”

Thanks to what lawmakers called “gimmicks” and “schemes,” Apple was able to largely sidestep taxes on tens of billions of dollars it earned outside the United States in recent years. Last year, international operations accounted for 61 percent of Apple’s total revenue.

Investigators have not accused Apple of breaking any laws and the company is hardly the only American multinational to face scrutiny for using complex corporate structures and tax havens to sidestep taxes. In recent months, revelations from European authorities about the tax avoidance strategies used by Google, Starbucks and Amazon have all stirred public anger and spurred several European governments, as well as the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a Paris-based research organization for the world’s richest countries, to discuss measures to close the loopholes.

Still, the findings about Apple were remarkable both for the enormous amount of money involved and the audaciousness of the company’s assertion that its subsidiaries are beyond the reach of any taxing authority.

“There is a technical term economists like to use for behavior like this,” said Edward Kleinbard, a law professor at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles and a former staff director at the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation. “Unbelievable chutzpah.”

While Apple’s strategy is unusual in its scope and effectiveness, it underscores how riddled with loopholes the American corporate tax code has become, critics say. At the same time, it shows how difficult it will be for Washington to overhaul the tax system.

Over all, Apple’s tax avoidance efforts shifted at least $74 billion from the reach of the Internal Revenue Service between 2009 and 2012, the investigators said. That cash remains offshore, but Apple, which paid more than $6 billion in taxes in the United States last year on its American operations, could still have to pay federal taxes on it if the company were to return the money to its coffers in the United States.

John McCain of Arizona, who is the panel’s senior Republican, said: “Apple claims to be the largest U.S. corporate taxpayer, but by sheer size and scale, it is also among America’s largest tax avoiders.”

In prepared testimony expected to be delivered to the Senate committee by Mr. Cook and other Apple executives on Tuesday, the company said it “welcomes an objective examination of the U.S. corporate tax system, which has not kept pace with the advent of the digital age and the rapidly changing global economy.”

The executives plan to tell the lawmakers that Apple does not use tax gimmicks, according to the prepared testimony.

Mr. Cook is also expected to argue that some of Apple’s largest subsidiaries do not reduce Apple’s tax liability, and to press for a sweeping overhaul of the United States corporate tax code — in particular, by lowering rates on companies moving foreign overseas earnings back to the United States. Apple currently assigns more than $100 billion to offshore subsidiaries.

Atop Apple’s offshore network is a subsidiary named Apple Operations International, which is incorporated in Ireland — where Apple had negotiated a special corporate tax rate of 2 percent or less in recent years — but keeps its bank accounts and records in the United States and holds board meetings in California.

Because the United States bases residency on where companies are incorporated, while Ireland focuses on where they are managed and controlled, Apple Operations International was able to fall neatly between the cracks of the two countries’ jurisdictions.

Apple Operations International has not filed a tax return in Ireland, the United States or any other country over the last five years. It had income of $30 billion between 2009 and 2012. By shuttling revenue between international subsidiaries, Apple was able largely to sidestep paying taxes, Congressional investigators said.

In the prepared testimony, Apple executives disputed the characterization of Apple Operations International. “A.O.I. performs important business functions that facilitate and enhance Apple’s success in international markets,” the testimony states. “It is not a shell company.”

The Senate investigators also found evidence that the company turned over substantially less money to the government than its public filings indicated.

While the company cited an effective rate of 24 to 32 percent in its disclosures, its effective tax rate was 20.1 percent, based on the committee’s findings. And for a company of Apple’s size, the resulting difference was substantial — more than $8 billion in 2009, 2010 and 2011.

Because of these strategies, tax experts say, Washington is forced to rely more and heavily on payroll taxes and individual income taxes to finance the government’s operations. For example, in 2011, individual income taxes contributed $1.1 trillion to federal coffers, while corporate taxes added up to $181 billion.

As companies’ earnings have accumulated offshore, many executives have been pushing more aggressively for a tax holiday that would allow them to bring back funds at lower tax rates. Apple has recently announced that it will return $100 billion to shareholders over three years through a combination of dividends and purchases of its own shares. Though Apple has enough cash on hand to pay for those initiatives, the company recently announced it would take on $17 billion in debt, rather than bring overseas money back to the United States to avoid paying repatriation taxes on those returning funds.

“If Apple had used its overseas cash to fund this return of capital, the funds would have been diminished by the very high corporate U.S. tax rate of 35 percent,” Mr. Cook is planning to testify, according to the prepared text. Apple “believes the current system, which applies industrial era concepts to a digital economy, actually undermines U.S. competitiveness.”

Critics, however, say these so-called repatriation holidays, which bring back funds at lower tax rates, do virtually nothing to stimulate the economy and benefit only corporations, their executives and shareholders. Congress enacted a repatriation holiday in 2004, allowing corporations to bring back about $300 billion from overseas and pay just 5.25 percent rather than the regular 35 percent corporate rate.

But a study by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that 92 percent of the repatriated cash was used to pay for dividends, share buybacks or executive bonuses.

“Repatriations did not lead to an increase in domestic investment, employment or R.&D., even for the firms that lobbied for the tax holiday stating these intentions,” concluded the study, which was conducted by a team of three economists that included a former Bush administration official. Tuesday’s hearing on Capitol Hill, along with the disclosures about Apple’s tax policies, are likely to make lowering repatriation taxes a more difficult proposition for lawmakers to stomach, Congressional staff members said.

On Capitol Hill Monday, legislators made plain their fury over what they called Apple’s “egregious” and “outrageous” conduct.

While other companies have taken advantage of loopholes, Mr. Levin said, “I’ve never seen anything like this and we don’t know anybody who’s seen anything like this.”

Nelson D. Schwartz reported from Washington and Charles Duhigg from New York. David Kocieniewski contributed reporting from New York.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 01:22 (ten years ago) link

#livelikesteve amirite?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 01:22 (ten years ago) link

this is a sickness. cook should be drawn and quartered IMO.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 01:24 (ten years ago) link

they could have avoided this if they'd simply spent the money on business expenses

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 01:26 (ten years ago) link

primitive accumulation redux

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 01:28 (ten years ago) link

that's insanely bad and inexcusable

i know both apple and google are dodging all sorts of tax payments in australia through clever loophole exploitation &c.

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 01:50 (ten years ago) link

I mean it's no secret that Apple and its peers are experts at this

0808ɹƃ (silby), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 03:11 (ten years ago) link

them blaming the tax system is kind of like a guy who buys a gun and ammunition, kills his family, and then blames it on easy access to firearms. i mean, he's right, but...

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 03:21 (ten years ago) link

Or they could pay Irish programmers to fix the maps app -- everyone wins.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 03:35 (ten years ago) link

they gave me a new phone in store.

thinking of ebaying it tbqh. checking the going rate for a new 4s. just about to move to the US, where a new 5 is $650, so if i can get say £300 for it here it becomes a $200 upgrade. hmm.

caek, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 12:03 (ten years ago) link

(and a month without a smartphone)

caek, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 12:04 (ten years ago) link

somebody tell me what to do

caek, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 12:04 (ten years ago) link

go off the grid

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 13:52 (ten years ago) link

love it

now is not the time for motorboating (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:43 (ten years ago) link

thought from the headline that they literally left the hearing to go to the Pentagon City apple store or something on a field trip, disappointed

0808ɹƃ (silby), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link

apple is horrible and has been for many years but i knew they had jumped the shark, aesthetically speaking, when they named their in-store customer support the "genius bar," thereby joining the best buys of the world in snookering ignorant people with the mystique of computer savvy.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:15 (ten years ago) link

on the other hand I have had a good experience literally every time I've been to the Genius Bar, including getting free replacements of out-of-warranty batteries. So idgaf if they want to call it a Genius Bar.

0808ɹƃ (silby), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link

at the local apple store there's a tendency of the support folks to at once (1) replace or fix stuff free of charge and (2) remind you that they're only doing this as an exception and normally they wouldn't do this kind of thing. i feel like they are trying to guilt me into buying something else?

last year i came in with my macbook's (in-warrant) power adapter which wasn't working. the "genius" told me "well, this is probably due to wear and tear so we won't cover it. but i guess i'll make an exception this time...." do they actually train their employees in this kind of passive-aggression? i finally responded that they should just establish a policy and either cover this sort of thing or not, and not try to make everyone feel like apple is (to cite a phrase) doing them a solid.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 22:35 (ten years ago) link

"do they actually train their employees in this kind of passive-aggression?"

having worked in retail i know that this is the general tactic for companies who want to se seen as having good customer service, i wouldn't exactly call it passive-aggresive though unless this particular genius was. It's more like damage limitation.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 22:45 (ten years ago) link

"But for you, my friend" is how my old boss referred to it, and he, I'm sure, picked it up from some nu-Dale Carnegie book.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 22:49 (ten years ago) link

having explicit standard replacement policy would let me replace my phone for free every few years as if it were a jansport backpack.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 22:56 (ten years ago) link

amateurist: i'm pretty sure it is a worldwide strategy. when i had to get an ipad replaced six days out of warranty, the apple guy on the phone (philippines) was all 'oh but it's out of warranty now, sorry for you etc', so i explained how australian consumer law works and recited the clause that blew away his obstruction, and he's gone 'oh, well, we'll be nice to you THIS TIME' like he had a choice

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 00:36 (ten years ago) link

yeah but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YQXDQeKDlM

markers, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link

brb killing myself

乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/iBa8Nns.png

乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link

eh, that article is way too linkbait/trollish

Nhex, Thursday, 23 May 2013 22:43 (ten years ago) link

i'm oddly annoyed at the clever way apple has managed to turn half of everybody else's ads into ads for apple (available on the ipad! download our app from the istore, etc)

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 24 May 2013 02:55 (ten years ago) link

apple should be broken up for monopoly issues IMO

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 May 2013 03:21 (ten years ago) link

monopoly over what?

0808ɹƃ (silby), Friday, 24 May 2013 03:22 (ten years ago) link

i think they wield the power of itunes in a monopolistic fashion

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 May 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link

or at least brazenly anticompetitive fashion

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 May 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link

how does iTunes let them act anticompetitively?

0808ɹƃ (silby), Friday, 24 May 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link

impossible to setup a competitor to iTunes unless prepared to lose crazy amounts of money to do it, which discourages people I bet.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 24 May 2013 03:49 (ten years ago) link

There are a half-dozen popular services that do music very well, either playlist-style or radio-style, to the point that iTunes looks like a laggard.

I'm not sure the power of iTunes, in terms of music at least, is that big of a deal. If Spotify-style services ever figure things out as far as profitability and label earnings, future generations aren't going to want to pay $1.29/song when they only listen to their phone; music nerds will still rather pay for vinyl.
As far as smartphone accoutrements (podcasts, apps, etc.), Google and Microsoft have their own versions of those.

For the first time since ~2002 my main computer is a Windows (7) desktop, the old way of going to a maker's web site to download software feels weird (okay, so does needing third-party apps for so much shit) after years with the App Store.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 24 May 2013 03:55 (ten years ago) link

i think they wield the power of itunes in a monopolistic fashion

yeah i disagree with this too. apple has a music monopoly if you have an ipod, but even then you can buy drm-free music elsewhere, and there's an arseload of streaming services out there too. it's a similar story with tv and film access (in the us, at least). ios is less common than android in phones, and samsung and google are mounting fairly convincing competition in tablets.

the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 24 May 2013 05:09 (ten years ago) link

I successfully replaced the glass on my ipad just the other day. Only problem I've noticed so far is that there is a tiny speck of dust stuck between the glass and lcd screen which is noticeable when the screen is black. I'm tempted to open the ipad up to remove it, but considering how much I broke the (already cracked) previous glass when removing it, I think I'm just going to try to live with it.

― silverfish, Friday, May 10, 2013 12:33 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Mine was smashed repeatedly by a 3 year old in a snit over god knows what. my screen splintered the fuck when I removed it too. I have removed and replaced the new digitizer a few times now (home button kept slipping) without any problems

anyway, in keeping with the spirit of this thread, it is really annoying that it is so complicated to open up an ipad and fix it. I really should make an effort to support companies that make hardware that is easy to open up and has components that can be replaced relatively easily.

― silverfish, Friday, May 10, 2013 12:38 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ipad is like kindergarten next to replacing an iphone 4s screen. i mean you have to go from the back and remove everything to get the the screen. so freaking ridiculous.

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link

spent a bit of time last night trying to get a macbook pro to output to a projector, after another guy spent 2 hours trying the same. total effin mystery, some dark art that not even the internet has yet solved. seemed like the projector was expecting 70Hz, which the MBP did not have a output setting for. guess he shoulda bought an apple projector.

truth bomb lawyer mean mean pride (Edward III), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 21:50 (ten years ago) link

There's a hidden setting in the Displays system preferences pane - hold down the option key and you should see a "Detect Displays" button appear. That's helped whenever I needed to connect to a strange projector (using a rMBP w/10.8.x fwiw)

Really annoyed with the "I'm from Apple, and I'm here to help" attitude w.r.t. certain OS functions. Trying to make things easier on the novice (are there ANY novice computer users left out there?) ends up making things exponentially harder on the folks who know how to do this.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 22:15 (ten years ago) link

thx, will try that!

started with an "out of range" msg on the projector. I turned on mirrored displays, which fixed that. then it was "no input". tried every onscreen variation, then found a bunch of threads on the apple forums which were pages and pages of poor bastards desperately trying to get their projectors to work.

truth bomb lawyer mean mean pride (Edward III), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link

(are there ANY novice computer users left out there?)

More than you can possibly imagine. Some people are permanent novices at computers, because computers have shitty interfaces.

Operation Gypsy Dildo (silby), Thursday, 6 June 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link

clicking shit is hard

markers, Thursday, 6 June 2013 19:51 (ten years ago) link

you laugh but seriously, there are so many.

Nhex, Thursday, 6 June 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link

my mother and my daughter have the same vice when it comes to computers. many times ive heard "Kate/Mommy, why isnt the computer working? Come fix it!" while clicking the mouse like they're hector salamanca with a bomb strapped to his wheelchair.

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Thursday, 6 June 2013 21:41 (ten years ago) link

i don't hate apple but i have an apple-related question and don't know who else to ask:

i have some .avi files that i reeeeeeally want to watch, and they don't work with quicktime so i followed apple's advice and downloaded DivX but there is NO AUDIO enabled for some reason
so i've been told that VLC player for mac is preferable, so i downloaded that but
it won't let me install it because there's apparently a setting i have that won't allow installation b/c it's "not from an approved developer"

please look past the fact that this may be a stupid question, but wtf do i need to do in order to watch these files with sound? i have been shamed by failure enough, now i just want help.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link


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