generation limbo: 20-somethings today, debt, unemployment, the questionable value of a college education

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man somebody reading that at people in a u o p class is just so ...

iatee, Monday, 3 June 2013 02:29 (ten years ago) link

Justine Bateman is now a freshman at UCLA, majoring in computer science.

the REAL Dr Morbius (silby), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 06:54 (ten years ago) link

Thank christ, imo. Though the chorus of people (at least in my industry) lamenting how we'll never get to work a 16 hour day for no pay again (which, of course we fucking will) is pretty nauseating.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Friday, 14 June 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link

shda studied engineering; ~sigh~

kenjataimu (cozen), Friday, 14 June 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/15/us/in-luxury-student-housing-gym-tan-and-study.html?hpw

As private housing developers try harder than ever to outdo the amenities that their competitors offer in college towns, concern is growing about the academic and social consequences of upscale off-campus student housing.

The spas, tanning salons and sprawling pools offered by these complexes, which often require their tenants to be students, are a far cry from the traditional on-campus residence halls that may house classrooms and faculty and host lectures and academic discussions.

forget academic discussions, you're supposed to live in kind of a shithole when you're 20 years old

j., Saturday, 15 June 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link

could also be a quid-ag article, really

There are washers and dryers that send text messages when a cycle is complete, and exercise machines that allow users to check their e-mail.

i feel like i ought to be physically angry with someone about this

j., Saturday, 15 June 2013 04:36 (ten years ago) link

idk if its really quid ag, rooms for $700? the opportunity is there because the dorms are overpriced.

iatee, Saturday, 15 June 2013 12:58 (ten years ago) link

“It’s like a vacation, almost,” he said. “I’m not going to go to class — that’s how I look at it.”

iatee, Saturday, 15 June 2013 13:00 (ten years ago) link

I went to a presentation on international student mobility last week and someone made the claim that the awful state of campus housing was putting foreign students off applying. The idea of having to share a room with a stranger is seen by many as totally bizarre.

О боже, какой мужчина (ShariVari), Saturday, 15 June 2013 13:18 (ten years ago) link

maybe it should be

Nhex, Saturday, 15 June 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link

It's totally bizarre to me! UK students almost always have their own space. The lack of privacy would be terrifying otherwise.

О боже, какой мужчина (ShariVari), Saturday, 15 June 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link

how do you learn how to bro down at uni then

j., Saturday, 15 June 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link

How do you ever have sex?

О боже, какой мужчина (ShariVari), Saturday, 15 June 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link

you work out a 'signal'

j., Saturday, 15 June 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link

Is the roommate really a foreign concept to the British? Don't they have a lot of boarding schools?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 15 June 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link

How do you ever have sex?

― О боже, какой мужчина (ShariVari), Saturday, June 15, 2013 2:00 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

man it's really sad that our friends in the UK don't get to experience the hilarity that ensues when kids in your freshman dormitory hall try to work around this problem

ttyih boi (crüt), Saturday, 15 June 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link

so many tears

ttyih boi (crüt), Saturday, 15 June 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link

Boys weren't even allowed into the stairwell of my college dorm, much less the actually residence floors. I'm pretty sure no one ever had sex on campus in the history of the institution.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Saturday, 15 June 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link

You could be fined actual money for breaking that rule. Which now that I think of it is sort of paying for sex with someone you already know.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Saturday, 15 June 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link

The lack of privacy would be terrifying otherwise
one of the many reasons i hated college

Nhex, Saturday, 15 June 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link

One of those luxury places (maybe not quite that lux) opened up just off the campus here. $600/month for a space with three roommates - not sure if your bedroom is shared, but for $20 more you can get an all bills paid apartment that's not too bad. $600/month to share a kitchen among four strangers is insane to me.

The washer/dryers that message you are not a bad idea, though - assuming that the average resident isn't a complete asshole, it should make the laundry room operate more efficiently.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 15 June 2013 20:16 (ten years ago) link

http://thebea.st/10xDYYT

Gukbe, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link

I'm sorry to say I actually have less respect for Warren after that proposal, which strikes me as obvious grandstanding.

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link

also it would do nothing to control the cost of college tuition and might even inflate it further.

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link

ARGH -- JUST -- AGREED -- WITH -- MEGAN -- MCARDLE -- GAG!

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link

I'm finding it really hard to get data to work out whether my feeling that having a degree in the UK is actively bad for getting jobs is correct.

cardamon, Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:12 (ten years ago) link

Recruiter during phone interview: 'But they need a people person. Looking at your CV I have to ask if you're a people person?'

cardamon: 'Absolutely, I mean I put a lot of effort into getting on with everyone, any age, whether or not they've got the same interests as me - I think it's important to do that, to make the working day go as smoothly as it can, you know?'

Did not get job. Who knows, eh. Possibly shouldn't have said 'I put a lot of effort into'.

cardamon, Thursday, 20 June 2013 01:16 (ten years ago) link

hopelessness.

Nhex, Thursday, 20 June 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link

aeon is kinda ponderous sometimes but i like it a lot

steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 21 June 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link

Correction, June 9, 2013: An earlier version of this essay misstated the terms of the job offer extended to the author in October, 2012. In the previous version, the author stated that he was offered a salary of $150,000. This has been changed to reflect a more complex sequence of events, during which the author was approached by a recruiter about a position paying $140,000-$160,000, followed by an interview, a firm offer of $120,000, and a raise to $150,000 three weeks after the author began work.

steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 21 June 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link

not sure what to think about the fact that they bothered to put that in

Nhex, Friday, 21 June 2013 16:06 (ten years ago) link

here's what I think: lol

crüt, Friday, 21 June 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link

i thought that was a good piece

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 June 2013 16:52 (ten years ago) link

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/women-are-more-likely-than-men-to-be-engaged-in-their-jobs/277107/

Most workers hate their jobs or have "checked out," headlined the Los Angeles Times last week about a new Gallup poll, "2013 State of the American Workforce." A jaw-dropping 700 million people--about 70 percent of full-time workers--are emotionally disconnected at work, meaning they only "go through the motions" to perform their jobs or worse: they do things to weaken or sabotage the organization and its mission.

Gallup's June report from its ongoing survey of employee engagement describes three groups of American workers. About one third of full-time employees are "actively engaged"--that is, committed, invested workers. Over half (52 percent) are "not engaged"--emotionally absent and "sleepwalking through their workday, putting time, but not energy or passion, into their work." Another 18 percent are "actively disengaged" from their jobs, hampering productivity--not to mention killing the organization's culture. These people "aren't just unhappy at work; they're busy acting out their unhappiness. Every day, these workers undermine what their engaged workers accomplish."

yesssss

http://www.processedworld.com/History/history.html

j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 01:19 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, that's me to an extent. And the thing is, my job kind of requires you to not just go through the motions, so I go through the motions of not just going through the motions.

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Sunday, 23 June 2013 01:44 (ten years ago) link

I'm glad I'm not in a job where it's possible to just go through the motions because otherwise I totally would.

10zing blogay (seandalai), Sunday, 23 June 2013 01:52 (ten years ago) link

I would say that maybe 0-10% of the time most weeks, and more in a good week, I'm presented with something intellectually challenging enough that I feel motivated and engaged. Which is better than my last job, which was pretty much a pure 0.

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Sunday, 23 June 2013 02:03 (ten years ago) link

c'mon earth-destroying meteor, save us

Nhex, Sunday, 23 June 2013 03:30 (ten years ago) link

It's easy to imagine the end of the world — an asteroid destroying all of life, and so on — but we cannot imagine the end of capitalism

Treeship, Sunday, 23 June 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link

"700 million" is a typo, right?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 23 June 2013 04:04 (ten years ago) link

the US census doesn't count slackers, hence its low population estimate for the nation

Treeship, Sunday, 23 June 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link

xp lol! i didn't even know that quote. but he's right

Nhex, Sunday, 23 June 2013 09:56 (ten years ago) link

ha treeship

steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 23 June 2013 22:49 (ten years ago) link

that column describes so many of my peers (and teens who will be entering that world)

battle hyrr of the shepublic (m bison), Monday, 24 June 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link

= the world

j., Monday, 24 June 2013 04:22 (ten years ago) link

uff.

the REAL Dr Morbius (silby), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link


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