yeah it should, so far i've mainly played vs aggro and jund though which both go fine. turns out the way to break the jund mirror is to play an aetherling, not too surprising
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 04:54 (ten years ago) link
i'm in the market for a new modern deck now, with voices pushing 50 tix and thoughtseizes spiking after their absence from modern masters was confirmed, i want to sell high on those and play something without them until they come back down
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:01 (ten years ago) link
i'm still playing u/w/r control which is fine on mtgo but probably not great irl - i like the idea of scapeshift but have never played it so certainly can't recommend it. also there's kibler's deck from gp portland or maybe san diego - the one that eggs won - with knight of the reliquary
― Lamp, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:04 (ten years ago) link
i like the idea of kibler's decks but there's so much combo on mtgo right now that i'm not sure a midrange deck without thoughtseize is playable
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:21 (ten years ago) link
i know i am late to the party here, but boros battleshaper is insane
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 02:25 (ten years ago) link
I had a foil one tonight in my deck
never got to cast it cause I also had firemane avenger, which also wins the game and comes out 3 turns earlier
but yeah battleshaper just takes over the board. if you're playing a 7 drop you want it be more than just a big creature.
― iatee, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 02:49 (ten years ago) link
managed to trade my voices and thoughtseizes into two entire modern decks, did not expect that
hopefully voice won't get into JTMS price territory and make me look like a fool but i can't imagine a 2-color card surpassing bonfire or sword of war and peace which both topped out at 50
― ciderpress, Thursday, 6 June 2013 01:44 (ten years ago) link
does it get played a lot outside of Standard? because that seems to be the deciding factor.
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 June 2013 02:36 (ten years ago) link
it's been showing up in various pod decks where it seems pretty good - i don't think legacy is particularly welcoming to g/w rn. i have sold mine when they were @ 41 when i sold most of my mtgo stuff and don't particularly regret it
what decks did you buy into cider?
― Lamp, Thursday, 6 June 2013 02:41 (ten years ago) link
splinter twin and rg tron
twin was basically a freeroll since i was only missing the twins/kikis which are reasonably cheap right now, and i've played the deck to a bit of success in the past. tron isn't great right now and i don't know how to play it well (yet) but it's my favorite modern deck and has the opposite matchups to twin so it seemed like a good complement
― ciderpress, Thursday, 6 June 2013 04:22 (ten years ago) link
so 3(586) people for providence? that doesn't break charlotte right?
― Lamp, Sunday, 9 June 2013 01:07 (ten years ago) link
magic players not having friends probably played into this
― iatee, Sunday, 9 June 2013 01:09 (ten years ago) link
Yeah it was a lot less people than Charlotte. Did you guys end up going? I ended up having no time to think the past week, forgot to check on this thread.
My team's pool was ass but I think we built it as well as we could. We started with an BWu deck that was quite strong, but after that was a struggle. Every deck we built that used green had a horrible curve so we ended up ditching green altogether. We made UWR to make use of Archon of the Triumvirate and Niv-Mizzet, the remaining bombs we had, and the deck was decent. That left a godawful Rakdos deck, that was slightly improved after we plundered the Orzhov deck for black cards. We went 4-4 with several close matches, and we didn't play the last round so we could eat. After the tournament, we went over the pool again and didn't see any better decks to make.
I still had a blast. If my deck is gonna be lousy, I'd rather be playing alongside friends. The communication aspect was really interesting but it took some time to get the rhythm of when we should ask for help.
― Vinnie, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link
I almost went w/ a friend but we couldn't coordinate a solid third
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:38 (ten years ago) link
the hipster magic store in wburg is doing invasion block draft tonight
kinda want to go but can't justify $25 for drafting sets where I don't know the cards
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link
its a fun draft format - not too different from the DGR drafts of today - but $25 is quite steep when you know you'll likely walk away with less than two bucks worth of cards. those rares have not really held up outside of Vindicate/Deed/Orim's Chant.
― frogbs, Monday, 10 June 2013 19:44 (ten years ago) link
I just won a game on mtgo where the other dude cast armed and dangerous for the win while I had a teysa out - the double strike killed the unblocked creature via teysa before the 2nd strike came. opponent only saw it after he played it, I didn't even realize it until it happened.
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 02:26 (ten years ago) link
he was like "oh no...teysa" and I thought he was mocking me
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 02:27 (ten years ago) link
both those cards are so sick in limited
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:09 (ten years ago) link
I kinda hate 'win out of nowhere' cards
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:12 (ten years ago) link
looks like travis woo is spreading the gospel of nivix cyclops
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:13 (ten years ago) link
fluxcharger is the one I seem to get every draft and it's worked wonders for me
speaking of cards that just win out of nowhere, played against a Blood Baron the other day and it dawned on me just how much I hate protection, especially when it's from two colors in a multicolor-oriented format
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:24 (ten years ago) link
haha woodlot crawler has been the bane of many of my green decks
― Lamp, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:26 (ten years ago) link
little guy is such a pain to deal w/sometimes
yeah if I see that 4-5 pick I force dimir
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:27 (ten years ago) link
I wonder if they purposely hold back on the protection from cause its one of those things that actually frustrates people
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:28 (ten years ago) link
gotta get that trait doctoring for max woodlot crawler value :D
― Lamp, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:32 (ten years ago) link
I had a draft where I strongly considered picking him p1p1 but went with something else instead (I think Zhur-Taa Druid which I took b/c I wanted to play Gruul). then one was in the second pack as well. Both of them wheel (!!) and I wind up defensively picking them. I don't think people realize how powerful protection is and just how much of a fork it can stick in the spokes of even a well-tuned deck. Especially since the creatures it tends to show up on aren't really underpowered otherwise (see the Exalted M12 Knights).
In a way I'm kinda surprised they are printing protection at all, it's got that combination of frustrating to lose against, no fun to win with, and tough for beginners to understand. I mean how many people thought Black Knight survived Wrath of God? (and as I recall, in Alpha it actually did?)
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link
ha I actually saw like a 13 y/o kid play trait doctoring/woodlot crawler
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link
I was watching gp providence and somebody tried to holy mantle his own blood baron - this was like in the finals or semifinals? I was surprised they let him take it back.
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:37 (ten years ago) link
don't they have to? Blood Baron isn't a legal target. If you cast Grisly Spectacle on an artifact creature (which I think happened in a PT?), the spell doesn't just fizzle.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:40 (ten years ago) link
i have played this (admittedly out of the sideboard) against a dude with only white removal - i had a swampwalker guy as well for all the value
― Lamp, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:42 (ten years ago) link
if he's tapping lands and bringing it out to the battlefield then shouldn't he have to put it on something? possibly an opponent's creature
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:42 (ten years ago) link
ha that's great lamp
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 04:43 (ten years ago) link
choosing the target is part of casting the spell, rather than something you do after the spell is cast, so technically he hasn't actually cast the spell yet.
― Lamp, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 05:00 (ten years ago) link
Just 3-0ed DGR draft at the new 11,000 sq ft game and comics superstore that opened near me. I've been drafting a lot of orzhov decks lately and they've mostly been underpowered, but it finally came together tonight. Sadly, their prize support is pretty weak with 2 packs for 1st plus a participation pack, so I'm probably headed back to my regular LGS.
Here's the deck:Concordia PegasusBoros mastiffDaring skyjek2 basilica screecherVizkopa guildmageTithe drinkerBasilica guardsProfit // lossAvenging arrow2 kingpin's pet2 Viashino firstbladeSin collectorAuger spreeSyndicate enforcerLaunch partyOne thousand lashesCarnage gladiatorDebtor's pulpitGolgari longlegsMaze sentinelBoros Guildgate7 swamps6 plains3 mountains
I sided in wear//tear, cinder elemental, and electrickery at various times.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 05:11 (ten years ago) link
ah that makes sense
xp
how much is the entry fee?
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 12:05 (ten years ago) link
I think the problem with orzhov-based decks is that they are unlikely to end up w/ 7 extort dudes like your deck had and need another win condition, which wasn't the case in gtc. like your deck is bomb-less but still works, but take out 3 extort dudes and it's kinda terrible.
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 12:08 (ten years ago) link
I'm seeing 10th pick Tithe Drinkers a lot as everyone tries to draft RUG (including me). Esper's worked pretty well and doesn't rely too heavily on Extorters (as RTR should net you 3-4 cheap flyers plus a Stab Wound or something)
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 12:17 (ten years ago) link
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The entry fee is $12 vs. $15 at my regular LGS, so in a sense they are more generous, but they also pull in way more people. My main gripe is that they should ditch giving everyone a pack for participation and make the prizes more competitive, but it's mostly bellyaching.
Yes, most of my Orzhov decks have been fairly underpowered. I'm not particularly trying to draft Orzhov, it just seems to have been pretty open in recent drafts, probably because people have realized that it isn't the greatest archetype. I've also had several drafts in a row where the rares I've opened have been pretty weak or haven't lined up with the rest of the cards that come to me.
So finally having a critical mass of extort dudes was nice, keeping the curve low helped a lot, and then having lots of multicolored dudes plus Maze Sentinel was a great way to close down games. Golgari Longlegs with vigilance sounds good to me. I also had lots of fun attacking with Maze Sentinel into my opponent's Murmuring Phantasm and then activating Vizcopa Guildmage's abilities.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 14:50 (ten years ago) link
yeah the everybody gets a trophy prize structure is lame but the actual payout is okay for $12
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
true, they're definitely not being greedy, just a little too "fair"
― Moodles, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link
http://8e8460c4912582c4e519-11fcbfd88ed5b90cfb46edba899033c9.r65.cf1.rackcdn.com/sales/cardscans/MAGEXO/survival_of_the_fittest.jpg
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
ha, this silly trading card game is turning me into Ayn Rand.
Here's a rules question that came up last night that I still don't know the correct answer for:
Who is responsible for noting damage taken during upkeep from cards like One Thousand Lashes or Stab Wound? What happens if it is missed?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
person who plays it has to remind opponent, if the trigger gets missed it doesn't have to happen, douchebag thing to do at a fnm tho
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:17 (ten years ago) link
yeah there was a big controversy about this with Jackie Lee where one player was not announcing it but just writing it down on his notepad and then she argued that the triggers actually got skipped
I get that in a competitive enviroment you want to have every advantage possible but reports of people single blocking a Pyreheart Wolf because they didn't explicitly announce the trigger (even though they clearly intended to) is enough to make me want to quit competitive Magic.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:22 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I missed it one time and the dude pointed out that he shouldn't have to take damage, seemed a bit douchy to me, but I'm ok with it if that's the correct rule.
How does that work with timing? Can an opponent try to zip through their upkeep in an effort to miss the trigger?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:22 (ten years ago) link
I always wondered about this in regards to Pyreheart Wolf. Say my opponent attacks and don't announce the trigger. How much time can pass before I can single block?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link
if they immediately untap draw you can roll it back, but if 4 minutes later during their main phase you remember it's too late, I think, technically. but really in a casual environment I think remembering anytime during their turn should probably be accepted.
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link