Brave -- Pixar's 2012 release

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and once more for those who were unclear on the "disney princess" slam
http://jezebel.com/disney-pulls-sexy-merida-makeover-after-public-backlash-494274022

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link

on that jezebel site, a lot of the changes can be explained by the difference between animated and static images - you don't want all the gloss and detail when you have to animate 25 frames every second.

also, disney appears to have removed merida rather than reverted the style, i just don't see her on that page. (that buggy, processor intensive page)

koogs, Sunday, 9 June 2013 17:15 (ten years ago) link

a lot of those changes can be explained by hypersexualizing images for children but hey whatevs

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link

Verrrrry excited about Inside Out.
Every aspect of the character design for Merida was painstakingly thought out so to have Disney just do that had me smh

kinder, Sunday, 9 June 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link

Well, the story should at least make it clear that Merida's not "another Disney Princess", if Disney themselves consider her outside the range.

Koogs - you are probably, like me, getting shunted over to the UK version.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 June 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link

yeah, i'm not saying it's not a travesty.

and actually, looking at the two merida images at the top (and not the traditional cell animated images at the bottom) the good merida is actually more complex than the made-over version, because she's 3d modelled and lit realistically. plus she has hairy hair.

koogs, Sunday, 9 June 2013 18:08 (ten years ago) link

Andrew: the point is that Disney very much intended her to be "another Disney Princess" and would certainly have pigeonholed her that way had there not been sufficient public backlash to point to diminished returns on that marketing plan

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:07 (ten years ago) link

instead we get "I AM STRONG AND I'M A PRINCESS" which makes it pretty clear that Diz knows they have an image problem with this stuff so Meridia is gonna get called on to do damage control and maybe see if there's folks willing to buy into that message.

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:09 (ten years ago) link

Well if you want to separate out intentions, then Disney meant to do that now, and may have meant a to do so a year ago, but Pixar meant to do something else, and succeeded - hence the public backlash.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link

I don't agree with your 'pretty clear', but that's probably you know pretty clear.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:17 (ten years ago) link

Disney meant to make money on this and whether they make money with good ideas or bad ones doesn't seem to matter to much to them.
Pixar's intent, as I argued at length above, seems notably more watered down than it usually is but that's open to interp.
Public backlash is a delicate thing; the nosejobbed heroine from the princess and the frog was added to the harem as an overidealized vision and there was notably less hue and cry.

Anyways, now there's this:
http://video.disney.com/watch/merida-i-am-a-princess-4dc2af5d4e65d49a9e9eda76
which is hardly a subtle shift of messaging from what they'd been putting out there; this looks like a nike jr. commercial.
good on them for finally recognizing they're dragging a dying stereotype but it's notable that princesses are still fully able bodied and skinny according to that video.

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:18 (ten years ago) link

You don't think Disney is aware that the Princess line has an image problem?

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:18 (ten years ago) link

I may be misinterpreting - are you saying that Project Merida from the start is an effort from Disney to create a new type of Princess?

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:23 (ten years ago) link

no, not at all. i think they tried to fit her into the princess fold, noted the backlash and figured she'd be more helpful (read profitable) as a tonic.

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link


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