only an 11 hour flight from hawaii. did he go from hawaii?
― scott seward, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqh0zXSd4vc
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:29 (ten years ago) link
my guess is that hong kong won't let him stay after his 90 day visa expires and i think he'll be moving on very shortly, before hong kong immigration status is an issue--if he's even still there.
― dylannn, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link
Hong Kong Baffled by Snowden’s Hideout
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/james-clapper-and-iraqi-wmd.html
The head of the NSA in a previous military position just knew that Saddam had illicit weapons.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/06/10/edward-snowden-the-washington-post-whistleblowers/
Snowden went to the Washington Post first, but they wouldn't publish the info in the manner he wanted
― curmudgeon, Monday, 10 June 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
Greenwald cackles.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
two statements to consider (a minute apart, as it happens)
https://twitter.com/glennbeck/status/343816286234632192https://twitter.com/laurenist/status/343816735339708416
― goole, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:05 (ten years ago) link
bizarro dan alter @bizarodanalter 19h@glennbeck "the man for whom I was waiting" is proper grammar. You should have gone to college/finished high school. #uneduca
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link
owned
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link
i haven't really figured all this out yet but my opinion is that these scandals are awesome!
― goole, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
certainly more beneficial for the public to be thinking about than the benghazi/IRS stuff
― Z S, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
think the guardian has updated to confirm that he did receive his GED
― max, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
it's possible that this one counts and the effect hasn't been seen yet but fwiw scandalmania is completely invisible in obama's approval rating
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
BREAKING
xp
― goole, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
would not be shocked if the general public dgaf about this
― Spectrum, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
yep
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:13 (ten years ago) link
unless it comes out that the white house was spying on kim kardashian or something
Edward Snowden: saving us from the United Stasi of America
Comment is free
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link
completely invisible in obama's approval rating
and fuck the general public, they are morons u know
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:40 (ten years ago) link
I know you've gone hoarse explaining these subtleties to the great moronic public.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
Perhaps, it is because I never really lived in an internet free-world (the web arrived when I was 7) but am I the only one who doesn't really care about it? or at least isn't surprised?
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:46 (ten years ago) link
if Joe/Jane Average actually found fault with O for this, let's all say their #1 solution together: "Let's 'lect a 'Publican." xp
This is not about SURPRISE; abuses become more concrete when one knows the details.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:47 (ten years ago) link
My reaction has been: after "Breaking Bad" and "The Wire" and Tony Scott movies, the federal government considers this spymaster horseshit worth keeping top secret? Only in a land where a million people boast top secret clearance.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:47 (ten years ago) link
high quality tv shows like breaking bad and the wire keep the american public up to date on important issues but also keep them blissfully content
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link
if we want an angry and activist public we need worse tv shows
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:54 (ten years ago) link
worse cable TV shows
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 15:54 (ten years ago) link
This is really no big deal until the first person gets wrongfully accused by the NSA and thrown in the hoosegow. When that happens, call me. 1-800-WATERFACE
― waterface, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
mad men is possibly the biggest threat to democracy since seinfeld
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
bcz they lack the imagination to understand how this info could be used against them. the average american thinks they are of no interest to the government, but when you combine this program with a few of the overly broad federal laws already on the books and you have the makings of a turnkey police state.
― Aimless, Monday, 10 June 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
https://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/
TLDR article re why privacy matters even if you have nothing to hide
― curmudgeon, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link
What a perv
One can usually think of something that even the most open person would want to hide. As a commenter to my blog post noted, "If you have nothing to hide, then that quite literally means you are willing to let me photograph you naked? And I get full rights to that photograph—so I can show it to your neighbors?"
― waterface, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:06 (ten years ago) link
"quite literally"
there are lots of alternatives to "the general public dgaf about this"- they don't know about it yet- they don't understand it yet- as was noted, the polling numbers don't reflect a reaction yetthis stuff came out, what, a week ago? it takes time for responses/reactions to build. but it is easier to feel superior to strawmen i guess
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
xposts
I think a lot of people understand how this info could be used against them, it is news after all. The thing is, I have no idea how to escape this, I am facebook and google user so I've pretty much accepted that my data is somewhere I don't really know and could be used against me at any times, since what? 7 years? more? People I know who really care about this stuff uses terms like sheeple and dabble in the dark arts of facebook macros. So I guess it's more about feeling specifically powerless, especially when you live outside of the US, cause we didn't even elect those administrations.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
we can't invite Muslim friends over to watch Breaking Bad episodes anymore
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link
right, i guess another option is - they give a fuck about it but don't know what they can do about itwhich includes me
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
the general public already kinda figures that the governement does whatever the fuck it wants. they're good with it.
― scott seward, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
for some reason wasn't the case in 1974
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:12 (ten years ago) link
ie the peak of this country
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
Watergate was the peak of this country? Interesting.
― waterface, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
no sending Shitface off in the copter was
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:14 (ten years ago) link
that wd be a good name for u btw, free advice
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
it took more than two years after the watergate arrests for nixon to resign
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Watergate waterface shitface I can't tell the difference anymore
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Cool
― copter (waterface), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
U a Billy Joel fan bro?
― copter (waterface), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link
in january 1973, which was seven months after the watergate arrests, nixon had a 67 percent approval rating
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
now if the government were secretly delaying the arrival of the new Xbox system we might see some angry mobs.
― scott seward, Monday, 10 June 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link
trenchant
― posters who have figured how to priv (darraghmac), Monday, 10 June 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
EnglishmanDentist
― The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Saturday, 15 April 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
U.S. intelligence agencies conducted illegal surveillance on American citizens over a five-year period, a practice that earned them a sharp rebuke from a secret court that called the matter a “very serious” constitutional issue.
The criticism is in a lengthy secret ruling that lays bare some of the frictions between the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and U.S. intelligence agencies obligated to obtain the court’s approval for surveillance activities.
The ruling, dated April 26 and bearing the label “top secret,” was obtained and published Thursday by the news site Circa....
The document, signed by Judge Rosemary M. Collyer, said the court had learned in a notice filed Oct. 26, 2016, that National Security Agency analysts had been conducting prohibited queries of databases “with much greater frequency than had previously been disclosed to the court.”
It said a judge chastised the NSA’s inspector general and Office of Compliance for Operations for an “institutional ‘lack of candor’ ” for failing to inform the court. It described the matter as “a very serious Fourth Amendment issue.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article152947909.html
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-nominates-backdoor-search-defender-to-lead-privacy-board/article/2633026
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
so someone explain to me how catastrophic of a disaster this wifi protocol being cracked is
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 16 October 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
Ehh, patch all your stuff, especially your android phone. Always be patching. If you have auto updates for Mac or Windows you’re already protected, I believe. Microsoft’s release last Tuesday definitely had the fix. If you run a big corporate network that allows guest WiFi access you’ll be testing and protecting against this for probably years, though.Here’s a decent blog on ithttp://blog.erratasec.com/2017/10/some-notes-on-krack-attack.html?m=1
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
this is a good backgrounder on the institutional missed opportunities that lead to this problem
https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2017/10/16/falling-through-the-kracks/
(that whole blog, on the mathsy/theory/CS side of infosec, is all around great btw)
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 02:58 (six years ago) link
Pelosi and Ryan, champions of FISA 702
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/11/nsa-pelosi-democrats-spy-american-section-702/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link
not nsa but surveillance/close enough
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/14/is-your-boss-secretly-or-not-so-secretly-watching-you
James Bloodworth spent a month working as a “picker” – the person who locates the products ordered – for Amazon in March 2016 for his book Hired: Six Months Undercover in Low-Wage Britain. “We carried this handheld device at all times and it tracks your productivity,” he says. It would direct workers to the items they need to find on the shelves in one of Amazon’s vast warehouses. “Each time you picked up an item, there would be this countdown timer [to get to the next item] which would measure your productivity.” Bloodworth says supervisors would tell people how productive they were being; he was warned he was in the bottom 10%. “You were also sent admonishments through the device saying you need to get your productivity up. You’re constantly tracked and rated. I found you couldn’t keep up with the productivity targets without running – yet you were also told you weren’t allowed to run, and if you did, you’d get a disciplinary. But if you fell behind in productivity, you’d get a disciplinary for that as well.” It didn’t feel, he says, “that you were really treated as a human being”. Workers had to go through airport-style security scanners at the beginning and end of their shifts, or to get to the break areas. He says going to the loo was described as “idle time” and once found a bottle of urine on one of the shelves.Amazon says its scanning devices “are common across the warehouse and logistics sector as well as in supermarkets, department stores and other businesses, and are designed to assist our people in performing their roles”, while the company “ensures all of its associates have easy access to toilet facilities, which are just a short walk from where they are working”. It adds: “Associates are allowed to use the toilet whenever needed. We do not monitor toilet breaks.”...Surveillance can have positive applications. It’s necessary (and legally required) in the financial industry to prevent insider trading. It could be used to prevent harassment and bullying, and to root out bias and discrimination. One interesting study last year monitored emails and productivity, and used sensors to track behaviour and interaction with management, and found that men and women behaved almost identically at work. The findings challenged the belief that the reason women are not promoted to senior levels is that they are less proactive or have fewer interactions with leaders, and simply need to “lean in”.Still, says, Woodcock, “we need to have a conversation in society about whether work should be somewhere that you’re surveilled”. That need is perhaps most urgent where low-paid, insecure jobs are concerned. “If you work in the gig economy, you have a smartphone,” Woodcock points out, and that smartphone can be used to track you. “I think because many of these workplaces don’t have traditional forms of organisation or trade unions, management are able to introduce these things with relatively little collective resistance.”The Independent Workers Union of Great Britain is well aware of the issues of monitoring and data collection. James Farrar is the chair of its United Private Hire Drivers branch, and the Uber driver who won a legal battle against the company last year for drivers’ rights. “They do collect an awful lot of information,” he says. “One of the things they will report to you on a daily basis is how good your acceleration and braking has been. You get a rating. The question is: why are they collecting that information?” Uber also monitors “unusual movements” of the phone when someone is driving (implying it knows if someone is using their phone while at the wheel) and, of course, tracks cars and drivers by GPS.“My concern with it is this information is being fed into a dispatch algorithm,” he says. “We should have access to the data and understand how it’s being used. If some kind of quality score on my driving capability [is put into an algorithm], I may be offered less valuable work, kept away from the most valuable clients – who knows?” It’s not an unreasonable fear – the food delivery company Deliveroo already does something similar, monitoring its riders’ and drivers’ performance, and has started offering “priority access” when booking shifts to those who “provide the most consistent, quality service”. Uber, however, says its monitoring is intended only to deliver “a smoother, safer ride … This data is used to inform drivers of their driving habits and is not used to affect future trip requests.”Not all surveillance is bad, says Farrar. In some ways, he would like more. He was assaulted by a passenger and is calling for CCTV in all vehicles, partly for the safety of drivers. “There is a role for surveillance technology,” he says. Ironically, when Farrar went for a meeting with Uber to discuss the assault, the company made him turn his phone off to prove he wasn’t recording it.
Amazon says its scanning devices “are common across the warehouse and logistics sector as well as in supermarkets, department stores and other businesses, and are designed to assist our people in performing their roles”, while the company “ensures all of its associates have easy access to toilet facilities, which are just a short walk from where they are working”. It adds: “Associates are allowed to use the toilet whenever needed. We do not monitor toilet breaks.”
...
Surveillance can have positive applications. It’s necessary (and legally required) in the financial industry to prevent insider trading. It could be used to prevent harassment and bullying, and to root out bias and discrimination. One interesting study last year monitored emails and productivity, and used sensors to track behaviour and interaction with management, and found that men and women behaved almost identically at work. The findings challenged the belief that the reason women are not promoted to senior levels is that they are less proactive or have fewer interactions with leaders, and simply need to “lean in”.
Still, says, Woodcock, “we need to have a conversation in society about whether work should be somewhere that you’re surveilled”. That need is perhaps most urgent where low-paid, insecure jobs are concerned. “If you work in the gig economy, you have a smartphone,” Woodcock points out, and that smartphone can be used to track you. “I think because many of these workplaces don’t have traditional forms of organisation or trade unions, management are able to introduce these things with relatively little collective resistance.”
The Independent Workers Union of Great Britain is well aware of the issues of monitoring and data collection. James Farrar is the chair of its United Private Hire Drivers branch, and the Uber driver who won a legal battle against the company last year for drivers’ rights. “They do collect an awful lot of information,” he says. “One of the things they will report to you on a daily basis is how good your acceleration and braking has been. You get a rating. The question is: why are they collecting that information?” Uber also monitors “unusual movements” of the phone when someone is driving (implying it knows if someone is using their phone while at the wheel) and, of course, tracks cars and drivers by GPS.
“My concern with it is this information is being fed into a dispatch algorithm,” he says. “We should have access to the data and understand how it’s being used. If some kind of quality score on my driving capability [is put into an algorithm], I may be offered less valuable work, kept away from the most valuable clients – who knows?” It’s not an unreasonable fear – the food delivery company Deliveroo already does something similar, monitoring its riders’ and drivers’ performance, and has started offering “priority access” when booking shifts to those who “provide the most consistent, quality service”. Uber, however, says its monitoring is intended only to deliver “a smoother, safer ride … This data is used to inform drivers of their driving habits and is not used to affect future trip requests.”
Not all surveillance is bad, says Farrar. In some ways, he would like more. He was assaulted by a passenger and is calling for CCTV in all vehicles, partly for the safety of drivers. “There is a role for surveillance technology,” he says. Ironically, when Farrar went for a meeting with Uber to discuss the assault, the company made him turn his phone off to prove he wasn’t recording it.
also lots two people with interesting surnames
bloodworth and woodcock
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 14 May 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
Snowden memoir is out, getting some good reviews
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 September 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
The United States today filed a lawsuit against Edward Snowden, a former employee of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and contractor for the National Security Agency (NSA), who published a book entitled Permanent Record in violation of the non-disclosure agreements he signed with both CIA and NSA.
The lawsuit alleges that Snowden published his book without submitting it to the agencies for pre-publication review, in violation of his express obligations under the agreements he signed. Additionally, the lawsuit alleges that Snowden has given public speeches on intelligence-related matters, also in violation of his non-disclosure agreements.
The United States’ lawsuit does not seek to stop or restrict the publication or distribution of Permanent Record. Rather, under well-established Supreme Court precedent, Snepp v. United States, the government seeks to recover all proceeds earned by Snowden because of his failure to submit his publication for pre-publication review in violation of his alleged contractual and fiduciary obligations.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-files-civil-lawsuit-against-edward-snowden-publishing-book-violation-cia-and
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
Some of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s warrantless searches through the National Security Agency’s enormous troves of communications data violated the law and the Constitution, according to secret surveillance court rulings partially declassified on Tuesday.
The bureau’s so-called backdoor searches, long regarded by civil libertarians as a government end-run around warrant requirements, were overly broad, the court found. They appear to have affected what a judge on the court called “a large number of individuals, including U.S. persons.” On one day in December 2017 alone, the court found, the FBI conducted 6,800 queries of the NSA databases using Social Security numbers. The government, in secret, conceded that there were “fundamental misunderstandings” among some FBI personnel over the standards necessary for the searches....
As early as March 2018, the FISA Court identified to the government that the FBI was not sufficiently documenting which of its queries were tied to people inside the United States, despite a statutory obligation to do so. Nor were the searches “reasonably designed” to find evidence of crimes or foreign spying.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/secret-court-fbi-warrantless-searches-were-illegal
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 October 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
I'm shocked! Shocked!
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
anyone read his book yet?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 10 October 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
I went control-f'ing for my name to see if I had participated in this thread much. Landed on this post and didn't know what to make of it: omnibus PRISM/NSA/free Edward Snowden/encryption tutorial thread
So I reverse image searched it and here was what Google was able to come up with.
https://i.imgur.com/LWrsVC9.png
Fun indeed, Google.
― ☮ (peace, man), Friday, 11 October 2019 11:30 (four years ago) link
President Trump said on Saturday that he would consider pardoning Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who faced criminal charges after leaking classified documents about vast government surveillance.“There are many, many people — it seems to be a split decision — many people think that he should be somehow be treated differently and other people think he did very bad things,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. “I’m going to take a very good look at it.”
“There are many, many people — it seems to be a split decision — many people think that he should be somehow be treated differently and other people think he did very bad things,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. “I’m going to take a very good look at it.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/us/politics/trump-snowden-esper.html
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 17 August 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link
I. Just. Can’t. Congratulations GOP. This is who you are now. https://t.co/CAE98A7qjV— Susan Rice (@AmbassadorRice) August 16, 2020
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 17 August 2020 23:08 (three years ago) link
Who?
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 06:19 (three years ago) link
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g8wb/hacker-got-my-texts-16-dollars-sakari-netnumber
It costs around $16 to steal anyone's SMS account, which can then be used to hijack their other accounts.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 02:41 (three years ago) link
In utterly non-shocking news:
Edward Snowden swears allegiance to Russia and receives passport, lawyer says
Edward Snowden, a former National Security Agency contractor who leaked information about U.S. surveillance programs, swore an oath of allegiance to Russia and has collected his Russian passport, his lawyer told state media on Friday.“Edward received a Russian passport yesterday and took the oath in accordance with the law,” lawyer Anatoly Kucherena said, according to Russia’s Interfax news agency. “He is, of course, happy, thanking the Russian Federation for the fact that he received citizenship,” he continued. “And most importantly, under the Constitution of Russia, he can no longer be extradited to a foreign state.”
“Edward received a Russian passport yesterday and took the oath in accordance with the law,” lawyer Anatoly Kucherena said, according to Russia’s Interfax news agency. “He is, of course, happy, thanking the Russian Federation for the fact that he received citizenship,” he continued. “And most importantly, under the Constitution of Russia, he can no longer be extradited to a foreign state.”
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 3 December 2022 03:30 (one year ago) link