I do have a renewed appreciation of middle-class cynics being an essential Democratic-voter set after deluded liberals, so thx Snowden.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
It's sad. It was a Bill of Rights.
― Aimless, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
this is for you morbz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mCC1wktIZ0
― scott seward, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
also it's funny to be 'confronted' about issues like this by a Brzezinski
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/glenn-greenwald-spars-on-morning-joe-92479.html
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
yes, really, let's feel "entitled" to what the Constitution guarantees us. Jesus Christ you ppl
lol like guns, amirite
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link
also slaves
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.htmlhttp://www.usconstitution.net/constfaq_q113.htmlhttp://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.htmlhttp://www.justia.com/constitutional-law/docs/privacy-rights.html
Of the various things that have been found to be covered by the Constitution by the Supreme Court, "who you've been talking to" isn't listed.
However, there is a rebuttal: http://harrybrowne.org/articles/PrivacyRight.htm
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
I think there was an amendment I saw in some movie last Christmas....xp
"a well-regulated militia" xxp
I can't watch that clip right now, Comrade Scott, but I'll boot it up at the cell metting tnite.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
Gen Keith Alexander, head of the NSA: “The great irony is we’re the only ones not spying on the American people.”
Disregarding the blatant untruth of this statement he made to Congress a couple of weeks ago, this idiot seems to think that this would, if it hadn't been a bald lie, be a merely ironic happenstance, rather than a fundamental distinction. The Chinese don't make or enforce the laws that govern us. The Germans don't. The Russians don't. The Brits don't. Google doesn't. Apple doesn't.
Combining indiscriminate and near-universal survelliance with the power to imprison or execute creates an entirely different entity from those other ones he was referring to. That's no irony. That's a vital safeguard.
― Aimless, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link
i think i get where you are coming from DJP but honestly i think the task at hand is to link the NSA story to, say, this one:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06/lawsuit-mississippi-prison-mentally-ill
...which is that in the name of public safety, the appointed "guards" can do whatever they want
― goole, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link
fyi that link needs whatever trigger warning nsfsanity ruinyourday tags you can throw on it
― goole, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
the constitution does not actually guarantee guns fyi
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
p. sure it guarantees one (1) per customer, please show up at city hall between 11am - 3pm for yours
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
that is my fave law enforcement trick, by the way. tell people with outstanding warrants that they have money waiting for them and then they come and get it and blammo! into the pokey. that's just good old-fashioned trickery. i think i saw that in a movie...
― scott seward, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
It's the one where the gangsters all get free tickets to the Yankees game and blammo!
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 10 June 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
i love that trick!
― scott seward, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
hey i'm here for my free motor boat...hey forgeddaboutit!!!! wait was it the simpsons where it was a free motor boat? best trick.
― scott seward, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
i have offered that deal
― goole, Monday, 10 June 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link
xp yes, which leads to the police manhandling Homer, who shouts, "Hey! My boating arm!"
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Monday, 10 June 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
even THAT guy lives in la la land and he's the whistler. well, he is 29. what does he know about anything...
a guy who works for Booz Allen probably doesn't have much first hand experience of the criminal justice system
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Monday, 10 June 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link
this is a weird opinion piece by jeffrey toobin
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/06/edward-snowden-nsa-leaker-is-no-hero.html
it's not wrong but it seems to be totally missing the point
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
toobin is a disgusting jerk imo
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
that toobin piece is such bullshit
first of all, he apparently finds the idea that snowden might have had complex motives for releasing the NSA documents shocking! utterly shocking!
then, he makes out like this has any bearing on anything.
finally, there's this helpful suggestion to future snowdens:
they can take advantage of federal whistle-blower laws; they can bring their complaints to Congress; they can try to protest within the institutions where they work.
b/c that's worked out so well under the obama administration
fuck this guy
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link
He is, rather, a grandiose narcissist who deserves to be in prison.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link
Toobin was on CNN last week saying the same nonsense last week before Snowden revealed himself
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:46 (ten years ago) link
i love how the implication here is that his supposed "grandiose narcissism" is what should land him in prison
if that were true, 2/3 of political bloggers would be in guantanamo
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
^^^ tempting
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgN6xkfgvls
― am0n, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
http://bit.ly/16XNszo
― balls, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
http://www.people-press.org/files/2013/06/6-10-13-7.png
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link
Roughly a quarter (27%) of Americans say they are following news about the government collecting Verizon phone records very closely. This is a relatively modest level of public interest. Only another 21% say they are following this fairly closely, while about half say they are following not too (17%) or not at all (35%) closely
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
WHY ? • 12 hours ago −
Edward Snowden, great American hero and true patriot. Thank you Mr. Snowden....stay safe & God Bless.
4448 up 244 down
― the late great, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
i guess that shows how far "the internet" skews off IRL?
so only 1/3 of americans even follow any news whatsoever basically
says a lot
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link
The question, of course, is whether the government can function when all of its employees (and contractors) can take it upon themselves to sabotage the programs they don’t like. That’s what Snowden has done.
i'd quote catch-22 here re "what if everyone thought that way" but then i'd have to think of a joke about "snowden"
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
I mean it's not even 'the internet' it's people who follow politics as a hobby vs normal people
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
the question of course
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
xp it's cnn.com
― the late great, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
it's not a bad question but that's what a social contract is duh
― the late great, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link
right before this story came out i was reading something that said over 130 million american cell phones end up in landfills every year. and i though huh wow that's a lot of cell phones. to end up in the ground. then i forgot about it. then this story came out and i remembered again.
― scott seward, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link
I'm worried about the goatee. Tomorrow Greenwald will get him into a pair of cargo shorts.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 21:08 (ten years ago) link
A January 2006 Washington Post/ABC poll—which was released in the wake of President George W. Bush’s “terrorist surveillance program”—found that 51 percent of Americans believed it was appropriate for the NSA to investigate suspected terrorists by “secretly listening in on telephone calls and reading e-mails between some people in the United States and other countries, without first getting court approval to do so.”
Pew highlights partisan shifts on the issue between 2006 and 2013, which may be attributed to a change of party in the White House. In 2006, 75 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of Democrats thought it was acceptable to monitor phone records in the name of national security. Today, 52 percent of Republicans and 64 percent of Democrats find it acceptable.
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link
ha -- Chris Hayes just mentioned this.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:12 (ten years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, June 10, 2013 3:56 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
presumably this is about the same 1/3 of americans who vote; i wonder if it matters
― goole, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:13 (ten years ago) link
not too much of a shock i guess that most democrats deep down loved the patriot act
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:55 (ten years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/06/10/how-to-get-that-balance-right-on-nsa-spying/
but this particular case is not yet settled law, what is my entitled white brain supposed to think
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
the1/3 of Americans who vote also tend to take cues from their favorite political party, neither of which is gonna tell them to be outraged right now xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:59 (ten years ago) link
dems were pretty much ok with clinton's post-oklahoma city anti-terror act, can't imagine they wouldn't have been openly enthusiastic about patriot act if it'd happened under a dem pres.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:00 (ten years ago) link
http://trollthensa.com/
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:11 (ten years ago) link
snowden checks out
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:37 (ten years ago) link