even THAT guy lives in la la land and he's the whistler. well, he is 29. what does he know about anything...
a guy who works for Booz Allen probably doesn't have much first hand experience of the criminal justice system
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Monday, 10 June 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link
this is a weird opinion piece by jeffrey toobin
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/06/edward-snowden-nsa-leaker-is-no-hero.html
it's not wrong but it seems to be totally missing the point
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
toobin is a disgusting jerk imo
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
that toobin piece is such bullshit
first of all, he apparently finds the idea that snowden might have had complex motives for releasing the NSA documents shocking! utterly shocking!
then, he makes out like this has any bearing on anything.
finally, there's this helpful suggestion to future snowdens:
they can take advantage of federal whistle-blower laws; they can bring their complaints to Congress; they can try to protest within the institutions where they work.
b/c that's worked out so well under the obama administration
fuck this guy
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link
He is, rather, a grandiose narcissist who deserves to be in prison.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link
Toobin was on CNN last week saying the same nonsense last week before Snowden revealed himself
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:46 (ten years ago) link
i love how the implication here is that his supposed "grandiose narcissism" is what should land him in prison
if that were true, 2/3 of political bloggers would be in guantanamo
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
^^^ tempting
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgN6xkfgvls
― am0n, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
http://bit.ly/16XNszo
― balls, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
http://www.people-press.org/files/2013/06/6-10-13-7.png
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link
Roughly a quarter (27%) of Americans say they are following news about the government collecting Verizon phone records very closely. This is a relatively modest level of public interest. Only another 21% say they are following this fairly closely, while about half say they are following not too (17%) or not at all (35%) closely
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
WHY ? • 12 hours ago −
Edward Snowden, great American hero and true patriot. Thank you Mr. Snowden....stay safe & God Bless.
4448 up 244 down
― the late great, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
i guess that shows how far "the internet" skews off IRL?
so only 1/3 of americans even follow any news whatsoever basically
says a lot
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link
The question, of course, is whether the government can function when all of its employees (and contractors) can take it upon themselves to sabotage the programs they don’t like. That’s what Snowden has done.
i'd quote catch-22 here re "what if everyone thought that way" but then i'd have to think of a joke about "snowden"
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
I mean it's not even 'the internet' it's people who follow politics as a hobby vs normal people
― iatee, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
the question of course
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
xp it's cnn.com
― the late great, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
it's not a bad question but that's what a social contract is duh
― the late great, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link
right before this story came out i was reading something that said over 130 million american cell phones end up in landfills every year. and i though huh wow that's a lot of cell phones. to end up in the ground. then i forgot about it. then this story came out and i remembered again.
― scott seward, Monday, 10 June 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link
I'm worried about the goatee. Tomorrow Greenwald will get him into a pair of cargo shorts.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 June 2013 21:08 (ten years ago) link
A January 2006 Washington Post/ABC poll—which was released in the wake of President George W. Bush’s “terrorist surveillance program”—found that 51 percent of Americans believed it was appropriate for the NSA to investigate suspected terrorists by “secretly listening in on telephone calls and reading e-mails between some people in the United States and other countries, without first getting court approval to do so.”
Pew highlights partisan shifts on the issue between 2006 and 2013, which may be attributed to a change of party in the White House. In 2006, 75 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of Democrats thought it was acceptable to monitor phone records in the name of national security. Today, 52 percent of Republicans and 64 percent of Democrats find it acceptable.
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link
ha -- Chris Hayes just mentioned this.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:12 (ten years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, June 10, 2013 3:56 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
presumably this is about the same 1/3 of americans who vote; i wonder if it matters
― goole, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:13 (ten years ago) link
not too much of a shock i guess that most democrats deep down loved the patriot act
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:55 (ten years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/06/10/how-to-get-that-balance-right-on-nsa-spying/
but this particular case is not yet settled law, what is my entitled white brain supposed to think
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
the1/3 of Americans who vote also tend to take cues from their favorite political party, neither of which is gonna tell them to be outraged right now xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 00:59 (ten years ago) link
dems were pretty much ok with clinton's post-oklahoma city anti-terror act, can't imagine they wouldn't have been openly enthusiastic about patriot act if it'd happened under a dem pres.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:00 (ten years ago) link
http://trollthensa.com/
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 01:11 (ten years ago) link
snowden checks out
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 02:37 (ten years ago) link
Can anyone provide good links to in-depth explanations and analyses of what exactly the NSA is doing with Prism and similar programs? Seems like all the news is just about where Snowded is and what his girlfriend does for a living and whether or not he likes normal american flavors of ice cream as opposed to this faggy blood orange and cardamom stuff.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 03:15 (ten years ago) link
the hong kong thing is very very odd
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 03:25 (ten years ago) link
yeah I mean scott said upthread his history made him seem like a spook; maybe he's a Chinese asset.
xp to analyze what exactly the NSA is doing with Prism there'd have to be some reliable information about what Prism actually is and does. If you want an idea of what the NSA might be doing with Big Data in general, check out http://www.palantir.com and infer from there I guess?
― Operation Gypsy Dildo (silby), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
Palantir Gotham's precision data control, maintenance of data provenance, and robust accountability mechanisms can form the backbone of a rigorous privacy- and civil liberties-protective data handling regime.
― Operation Gypsy Dildo (silby), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 04:39 (ten years ago) link
co-founded by ron paul's #1 campaign contributor
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 04:41 (ten years ago) link
haha for real? maybe I shouldn't apply for a job there.
(the greatest threat to our civil liberties is amoral engineers looking for exciting projects)
― Operation Gypsy Dildo (silby), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 04:42 (ten years ago) link
nah it's peter thiel, there is nothing actually libertarian about palantir
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 04:44 (ten years ago) link
holy shit david brooks is the worst http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/opinion/brooks-the-solitary-leaker.html?hp&_r=2&
― From the home of the underground railway and stuff (symsymsym), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:43 (ten years ago) link
He betrayed the cause of open government. Every time there is a leak like this, the powers that be close the circle of trust a little tighter. They limit debate a little more.He betrayed the privacy of us all. If federal security agencies can’t do vast data sweeps, they will inevitably revert to the older, more intrusive eavesdropping methods.He betrayed the Constitution. The founders did not create the United States so that some solitary 29-year-old could make unilateral decisions about what should be exposed.
He betrayed the privacy of us all. If federal security agencies can’t do vast data sweeps, they will inevitably revert to the older, more intrusive eavesdropping methods.
He betrayed the Constitution. The founders did not create the United States so that some solitary 29-year-old could make unilateral decisions about what should be exposed.
fuck this fucking moron
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:49 (ten years ago) link
oh you missed the best part
He betrayed his employers. Booz Allen and the C.I.A. took a high-school dropout and offered him positions with lavish salaries. He is violating the honor codes of all those who enabled him to rise.
srsly brooks?!?
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:55 (ten years ago) link
If only he had the gentle gradation of ILX nestled between neighborhood and religion
― a very generous Cordoban (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 06:22 (ten years ago) link
a david brooks new york times column stomping on a human face forever
― From the home of the underground railway and stuff (symsymsym), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 07:03 (ten years ago) link
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/06/was-cheney-right-about-obama.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 June 2013 10:49 (ten years ago) link
For those of you that know me without my super hero cape, you can probably understand why I’ll be refraining from blog posts for awhile. My world has opened and closed all at once. Leaving me lost at sea without a compass. Surely there will be villainous pirates, distracting mermaids, and tides of change in this new open water chapter of my journey. But at the moment all I can feel is alone. And for the first time in my life I feel strong enough to be on my own. Though I never imagined my hand would be so forced. As I type this on my tear-streaked keyboard I’m reflecting on all the faces that have graced my path. The ones I laughed with. The ones I’ve held. The one I’ve grown to love the most. And the ones I never got to bid adieu. But sometimes life doesn’t afford proper goodbyes. In those unsure endings I find my strength, my true friends, and my heart’s song. A song that I thought had all but died away, when really it was softly singing all along. I don’t know what will happen from here. I don’t know how to feel normal. But I do know that I am loved, by myself and those around me. And no matter where my compass-less vessel will take me, that love will keep me buoyant.
The Adventures of a world-traveling, pole-dancing super hero (Snowden's girlfriend)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:07 (ten years ago) link
Cheney wasn't "right" about Obama, but he understood his character better than most Democrats did.
Laura Poitras on how they got that story:
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/10/qa_with_laura_poitras_the_woman_behind_the_nsa_scoops/
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:15 (ten years ago) link
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18qg6vi272tccjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
― how's life, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:15 (ten years ago) link
Whenever I see mention of Edward Snowden I just assume it's about "Game of Thrones" and skip the story for fear of spoilers.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:32 (ten years ago) link
"According to The Washington Post, he has not been a regular presence around his mother’s house for years."
― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:35 (ten years ago) link
hang him!