New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

"not doing a mac pro", that should be

iTunes Radio is available only in the U.S.
iTunes Radio is available only in the U.S.
iTunes Radio is available only in the U.S.
iTunes Radio is available only in the U.S.
iTunes Radio is available only in the U.S.
iTunes Radio is available only in the U.S.

looooooooool

― the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Monday, June 10, 2013 11:01 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol at this post btw. never change.

I'm not sure that Pros are going to be attracted to the Pro because it looks cool. Lots of "who gives a fuck, it just sits under my desk" comments, people pointing out that it depends on inferior graphics cards and no desire to chain together all the necessary externals via Thunderbolt.

A Pro buyer can get a lot of use out of one because of expansions and upgrades prolonging life, neither of which is offered with this $2500+ computer.

Apple making money hand over fist and can afford to not care doesn't mean the mid-tier desktop market isn't significant. There's still a ton of money made in that world.

they've always made a powermac/mac pro. it's always had the desired effect. this is a continuation of that. sorry it's not the computer you want to buy.

the release notes for the ios 7 beta are chock-full of some pretty hairy bugs. Idiots who install it on their only phone gonna be bitching on macrumors in 3, 2, 1...

markers' $2k guess feels optimistic to me

― caek, Monday, June 10, 2013 6:12 PM

https://twitter.com/siracusa/status/344183913448624128

xp - This has more in common with the Cube or a super Mini than prior PowerMac/Mac Pros, though.

I don't expect Apple to suddenly reverse course from the last ten years and offer a decent affordable desktop. You can't make that attractive enough.
But this Mac Pro isn't even, IMO, a particularly good computer as the Mac Pro line has gone. It's just pretty. That's the only thing it has going for it - and that's going to be undermined by all the aftermarket RAID enclosures and wires that users are going to need.

yeah, that form factor is not very attractive if I have to have a separate external box to fill with drives. and it seems to small to put on the floor but I don't really have space for it on my desk. plus you can't pile things on top of it, etc. kind of gimmicky and weird imo. A big rugged aluminum box is pretty much the ultimate pro form factor and they're never going to top that.

idg why the ipad 3 is not getting air drop

xp i mean if your argument is that this isn't like the old mac pro then fine.

but you didn't like the old mac pro either?

iOS7 looks pretty cool though. Looks like Ive finally got free reign to make it all Braun-ed out.

Apps that don't get updated are going to look ass-tastic, mind. Zing looks really shoddy with no changes, even where it just uses all-standard system widgets

bugger

Don't worry. Everyone's gonna start making thunderbolt drives and expansion bays in different colors that are all cylinders of different heights so you can put them next to each other and have like a little futuristic cityscape.

To be fair, I don't see as many desktop towers filled with drives these days - most high-end setups I see have external disk arrays, NAS, etc.

Curious to see if there will even be a Mac Pro configuration with an old-fashioned spinning HD.

xp - I owned the last G5 Mac Pro, thought it was great - unfortunately, I bought it the generation before the Intel switch. Before that I owned a Quicksilver G4. Had a 2009 iMac that I recently sold - 2TB was getting too small, there were no Thunderbolt or USB3 connections and getting a similar iMac today would be $2500ish.

My main computer is now a Windows 7 desktop I pieced together cheap - recent i7, 12GB RAM, 64GB SSD and 6 GB of drives. Runs fine, though far less elegantly than OS X. When I have more money, I'll probably work on buying the parts for a solid Hackintosh build.

For photography hobbyists, a Mac strong point, DSLR file sizes are getting bigger and bigger. SSDs are too expensive for external photo storage, and with external hard drives, you've got to keep your library on the external drive and wait for it to spin up (small but annoying) every time you need to access your photos.

Curious to see if there will even be a Mac Pro configuration with an old-fashioned spinning HD.

there's nowhere to put it right? it's all pcie flash memory?

I guess I'm just part of a small minority of users who need a ton of storage, but work from home and don't want a bunch of flaky external drives sitting around. and also I'm not tech savvy enough (plus too cheap and lazy) to get some kind of external raid thing going. so the fact that the mac pro had 4 empty drive slots that you can fill up with terabytes for a couple hundred bucks was really nice.

Curious to see if there will even be a Mac Pro configuration with an old-fashioned spinning HD.

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, June 10, 2013 4:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, duh

wk if you wfh and your work takes up multiple TBs of storage I'd hope you have a bunch of external drives anyway for your incremental and nightly backups, not to mention your off-site backups.

You still get that problem with internal disks, milo. My boot is an SSD, and my pictures are on the other internal HDs, and you still have to wait for them to spin up (tho you can disable that in prefs, I think)

IOS 7: overall feeling I get here is of Forstall going "harder than it looks, isn't it?" Going back to 6 is a relief.

wk if you wfh and your work takes up multiple TBs of storage I'd hope you have a bunch of external drives anyway for your incremental and nightly backups, not to mention your off-site backups.

I just use an online backup service. had too many bad experiences with external drives dying.

spin up of external drives totally a software/firmware issue.

anyway yeah clearly Apple's answer to the expandability needs of Mac Pro customers is "use thunderbolt"; this is built in to their marketing messaging: "The most expandable mac ever" and it's not about drive bays.

You can swap out ram yrself though and avoid the most egregious Apple tax.

I'm still using a 2008 Mac Pro, dual Quad Core. I've got FIVE hard drives in it, 10 gigs or ram and it's still a pretty good computer. Sometimes gets funky probably more on the software side, and not the zippiest thing around, but I got a fair amount of life out of it.

Raids and NAS are getting more common and easier to use. Drobos and whatnot. This thing will do well. With video people and recording studios especially. Though those PCIe enclosure companies will benefit.

IOS 7: overall feeling I get here is of Forstall going "harder than it looks, isn't it?" Going back to 6 is a relief.

otm. this page sits somewhere between a turgid manifesto and a conga line of excuses: http://www.apple.com/ios/ios7/design/

from apple's point of view I guess it makes sense. I'm sure there are a lot of mac pro users who basically paid for those extra drive slots to just sit there empty taking up space. might as well shave a few bucks off the cost, make the box smaller, and let the third party peripheral companies deal with that.

I'm still using a 2008 Mac Pro, dual Quad Core. I've got FIVE hard drives in it, 10 gigs or ram and it's still a pretty good computer. Sometimes gets funky probably more on the software side, and not the zippiest thing around, but I got a fair amount of life out of it.

yeah, that's exactly my situation too. I wish I could just have this exact thing but a little faster!

Me too. This thing, but faster, and a bit smaller (don't need the card space, would like internal drives). I wonder if there's going to be any way to hook a Retina screen off this thing (even a little one!) though I suspect not.

hook it meaning mounting it directly onto the computer's chassis?

oh you mean the current Mac Pro.

they mentioned that the new Mac Pro will drive 4k screens, but Apple don't sell 4k screens, wonder if we can expect those at the time they launch the Pro.

apple released a new massive mavericks wallpaper for such screens iirc

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/10/apple-posts-27-retina-imac-sized-os-x-mavericks-background/

Drool

i will miss the cats, i must say

also 'mavericks' is a dumb name for anyone who doesn't know about american surfing beaches

locals only n00b

it sounds dumb that it is plural

Mac OS X Lions, iOS Sevens.

"windows"

it's possessive not plural.

anyway it's actually intended as possessive

what he said

didn't you hear, apple is phasing out apostrophes. don't need em anymore

reminder's

mavericks is an okay effort but how are they going to continue the theme? trestles? swamis? blacks?

those are all ca surfing beaches