omnibus PRISM/NSA/free Edward Snowden/encryption tutorial thread

can we talk about how hilarious it is that one of the examples they are using to show that this program is working is that it averted an attack on the NYSE

why am i a confused-marxist? i don't feel confused.

about hyphen use?

yeah i should say complicated marxist, your understanding of marxism is def superior to mine tbf it just confuses me at times (tho i generally like it)

NYSE, the Sacred Seat of the American state

alfred otm ban me

i'm not even sure it's relevant here. i don't know about any radical free information principle in traditional marxism.

what 'enemy' is comforted by talking about the g-20 spying?

funny enough acc to the guardian the spying was kind of old-timey: fake internet cafes!

The same document also refers to GCHQ, MI6 and others setting up internet cafes which "were able to extract key logging info, providing creds for delegates, meaning we have sustained intelligence options against them even after conference has finished". This appears to be a reference to acquiring delegates' online login details.

i'm sure the british are pissed but it's not treason to talk about this.

sorry, I don't consider "telling countries that already know we are spying on them about a specific spying incident" to occupy the same moral plane as "taking up arms against the United States government."

i don't know why you're so hung up on 'enemy.' i consider pollard's actions treasonous and he was supplying information to an 'ally.' xp

i'm hung up on it because it's the language of the law

i think mordechai vanunu was definitely a traitor to his country (and he was even convicted of treason iirc!), and he just leaked to the UK press. not to a specific enemy of israel.

ok, but i'm not making strict arguments about the US legal code. i don't think the US can or should prosecute snowden under the treason act. i still think his actions may be treasonous.

just in a vaguely traitory hates his mother nation and wants his countrymen to die kind of a way

well i can't speak to his motivations. i'm sure he's very idealistic and thinks he is doing the right thing.

But he's really a filthy traitor.

Anyway, all hail the Rodinia!

i'm sure the rosenbergs had idealistic motivations as well

Sure. They wanted Meryl Streep to play Ethel.

He was subsequently lured to Italy by a Mossad agent, where he was drugged and abducted by Israeli intelligence agents.[4] He was transported to Israel and ultimately convicted in a trial that was held behind closed doors.[4]

cool country

what if we compromised and decided this was a little bit treason and a little bit espionage

vanunu is lucky he wasn't executed xp

L-R: Treason, espionage

http://www.bionicdisco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/DonnyMarie_Show_Jan_1978.jpg

he committed treason against the dystopian 2013 america by aiding the imaginary future america he wants to create

anyone who tries to change america is kinda committing treason when you look at it like that

anyone who tries to change america is kinda committing treason when you look at it like that

i'm sure the rosenbergs had idealistic motivations as well

― Mordy , Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:25 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes it was marxism

Proverbs 16:2 "All the ways of a man [are] clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits."

can we talk about how hilarious it is that one of the examples they are using to show that this program is working is that it averted an attack on the NYSE

"We had quite a bit of trouble deciphering the phone calls at first."

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they see me snowden
they hatin
patrollin they tryna catch me speakin treason

i assume the G-20 leak is one of the things that barton gillman refused to publish. i wonder what other information he has (he might literally have lists of names).

FedSmith.com Users Say Snowden is a Traitor
Is Edward Snowden a hero or a traitor for leaking the information about the NSA? FedSmith.com users say he is a traitor in our recent survey.

He is a hero in that he has exposed the inappropriateness of having contractors do the work that federal employees should do. He is a traitor because he handled it inappropriately.

lol

I guess if we are at war with Terror, and Terror is fear of the the unknown, and this guy made is so that there is less that is unknown to us, then yes in some way he is threatening our ability to be Terrorized. So he's the opposite of a traitor.

the NSA FISA disclosures were technically legal but that doesn't mean that they weren't a violation against the american public.

informing the american public about secret policies they have a clear interest in knowing about is a 'violation against them'?

always hilarious to see liberals eagerly standing up for the espionage act, passed by notable racist warmonger woodrow wilson largely as an excuse to silence domestic opposition and lock up antiwar radicals.

Have there been photos of these fake G20 internet cafes?

http://www.ronsaari.com/stockImages/diners/tomsRestaurant1.jpg

the fake restaurants thing is like something baudrillard would have made up blows my mind

little did they know that they were spying on fake diplomats

informing the american public about secret policies they have a clear interest in knowing about is a 'violation against them'?

read my post immediately after the one you quoted. i clarified.

oops! sorry, missed that.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/06/why-monopolies-make-spying-easier.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-congress-has-become-a-rubber-stamp-for-the-nsa/2013/06/18/eb9ef4ee-d861-11e2-a9f2-42ee3912ae0e_story.html?hpid=z2

The only non-love-fest questions at the hearing:

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), (D-Ill.), who said the officials would have been better off providing information about the program “up front,” asked whether their newfound transparency would include the public release, with redactions, of secret court opinions related to the surveillance programs.

“It’s been a very difficult task,” was Litt’s noncommittal response.

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) asked how soon Litt would have an answer on declassifying the opinions.

“I’m hesitant to answer any question that begins ‘how soon,’ ” Litt said.

Schiff, in the minority of lawmakers challenging the witnesses, suggested that the NSA might want to get the phone “metadata” from the telecommunications providers on a case-by-case basis rather than amass all the data for all Americans.

“The concern is speed in crisis,” Alexander told him.

Schiff wasn’t persuaded. “I think that the American people may be much more comfortable with the telecommunications companies retaining those business records,” he said. As for the intelligence officials’ boasts about self-supervision, Schiff added, “all those internal checks are valuable, but they’re still internal checks.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-charges-snowden-with-espionage/2013/06/21/507497d8-dab1-11e2-a016-92547bf094cc_story.html

what can one say, but, welp

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yo dawg we heard you like espionage so we charged you with espionage after hiring you to perform espionage

if you knew this is Bam's SEVENTH Espionage Act prosecution, raise yr hand. (Wilson through Dubya: 3.)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/22/snowden-espionage-charges

I don't think Snowden should be charged, but either you or Greenwald are trying to be misleading here, because he says something very specific:

Prior to Barack Obama's inauguration, there were a grand total of three prosecutions of leakers under the Espionage Act

Note he's confining that statement to "leakers," however he's defining that, but either he -- or, I think, you -- are trying to imply that only three PEOPLE have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act, since 1917, which is . . . not true.