omnibus PRISM/NSA/free Edward Snowden/encryption tutorial thread

anyone who tries to change america is kinda committing treason when you look at it like that

i'm sure the rosenbergs had idealistic motivations as well

― Mordy , Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:25 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes it was marxism

Proverbs 16:2 "All the ways of a man [are] clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits."

can we talk about how hilarious it is that one of the examples they are using to show that this program is working is that it averted an attack on the NYSE

"We had quite a bit of trouble deciphering the phone calls at first."

http://ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/dark-knight-rises-stock-exchange.jpg

they see me snowden
they hatin
patrollin they tryna catch me speakin treason

i assume the G-20 leak is one of the things that barton gillman refused to publish. i wonder what other information he has (he might literally have lists of names).

FedSmith.com Users Say Snowden is a Traitor
Is Edward Snowden a hero or a traitor for leaking the information about the NSA? FedSmith.com users say he is a traitor in our recent survey.

He is a hero in that he has exposed the inappropriateness of having contractors do the work that federal employees should do. He is a traitor because he handled it inappropriately.

lol

I guess if we are at war with Terror, and Terror is fear of the the unknown, and this guy made is so that there is less that is unknown to us, then yes in some way he is threatening our ability to be Terrorized. So he's the opposite of a traitor.

the NSA FISA disclosures were technically legal but that doesn't mean that they weren't a violation against the american public.

informing the american public about secret policies they have a clear interest in knowing about is a 'violation against them'?

always hilarious to see liberals eagerly standing up for the espionage act, passed by notable racist warmonger woodrow wilson largely as an excuse to silence domestic opposition and lock up antiwar radicals.

Have there been photos of these fake G20 internet cafes?

http://www.ronsaari.com/stockImages/diners/tomsRestaurant1.jpg

the fake restaurants thing is like something baudrillard would have made up blows my mind

little did they know that they were spying on fake diplomats

informing the american public about secret policies they have a clear interest in knowing about is a 'violation against them'?

read my post immediately after the one you quoted. i clarified.

oops! sorry, missed that.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/06/why-monopolies-make-spying-easier.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-congress-has-become-a-rubber-stamp-for-the-nsa/2013/06/18/eb9ef4ee-d861-11e2-a9f2-42ee3912ae0e_story.html?hpid=z2

The only non-love-fest questions at the hearing:

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), (D-Ill.), who said the officials would have been better off providing information about the program “up front,” asked whether their newfound transparency would include the public release, with redactions, of secret court opinions related to the surveillance programs.

“It’s been a very difficult task,” was Litt’s noncommittal response.

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) asked how soon Litt would have an answer on declassifying the opinions.

“I’m hesitant to answer any question that begins ‘how soon,’ ” Litt said.

Schiff, in the minority of lawmakers challenging the witnesses, suggested that the NSA might want to get the phone “metadata” from the telecommunications providers on a case-by-case basis rather than amass all the data for all Americans.

“The concern is speed in crisis,” Alexander told him.

Schiff wasn’t persuaded. “I think that the American people may be much more comfortable with the telecommunications companies retaining those business records,” he said. As for the intelligence officials’ boasts about self-supervision, Schiff added, “all those internal checks are valuable, but they’re still internal checks.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-charges-snowden-with-espionage/2013/06/21/507497d8-dab1-11e2-a016-92547bf094cc_story.html

what can one say, but, welp

http://i.guim.co.uk/n/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/6/21/1371831337646/Edward-Snowden-composite--009.jpg
http://i.guim.co.uk/n/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/6/21/1371831337646/Edward-Snowden-composite--009.jpg
http://i.guim.co.uk/n/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/6/21/1371831337646/Edward-Snowden-composite--009.jpg

yo dawg we heard you like espionage so we charged you with espionage after hiring you to perform espionage

if you knew this is Bam's SEVENTH Espionage Act prosecution, raise yr hand. (Wilson through Dubya: 3.)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/22/snowden-espionage-charges

I don't think Snowden should be charged, but either you or Greenwald are trying to be misleading here, because he says something very specific:

Prior to Barack Obama's inauguration, there were a grand total of three prosecutions of leakers under the Espionage Act

Note he's confining that statement to "leakers," however he's defining that, but either he -- or, I think, you -- are trying to imply that only three PEOPLE have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act, since 1917, which is . . . not true.

nope, just my mistranscription, my fault

no access to Wiki now, but wasn't Eugene Debs convicted under the EA?

yes -- the sedition act of 1918 was actually an amendment to the espionage act, so initially it was used almost entirely against antiwar activists (AFAIK no actual german spies were ever caught and convicted under the act.)

no one was successfully prosecuted for leaking to the press until this guy, in 1985: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Loring_Morison

Not sure if this is the thread for it, but uhm... uh oh...

In an email sent hours before his death in a single-car L.A. crash, journalist Michael Hastings wrote that his “close friends and associates” were being interviewed by the FBI and he was going to “go off the radar for a bit.”

According to the email, sent to KTLA, Hastings wrote he was working on a “big story” and was going to disappear. He told his colleagues that if the FBI came to interview them, they should have legal counsel present.

remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNdW2V5V8W4

Danny Casolaro, yes defo. Not seem the dramatic re-enacted video though.

god BCCI is one of the great forgotten scandals of the last twenty years.

Hastings wrote he was working on a “big story” and was going to disappear. He told his colleagues that if the FBI came to interview them, they should have legal counsel present.

max to thread

Speculative article stoking more fears: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and energy shocks

yeah. iatee doesnt like that article.

Roseanne Barr ‏@TheRealRoseanne
here's what happened: the 2 (or 3) factions in r government set up the tech2 spy on each other-& each invented their own opposition, 4 gov$

snowden out

wikileaks twitter is saying they're helping him

out of what

frying pan and into fire

N.S.A. Leaker Leaves Hong Kong on Flight to Moscow

I guess he's attracted to Putin's strong commitment to killing journalists.

It's not his last stop. I think his main interest is in not being arrested by the fascist dick.

ok now i have a mental picture of a penis with a hitler mustache, thanks

here we go:

Even before a former U.S. intelligence contractor exposed the secret collection of Americans’ phone records, the Obama administration was pressing a government-wide crackdown on security threats that requires federal employees to keep closer tabs on their co-workers and exhorts managers to punish those who fail to report their suspicions.

President Barack Obama’s unprecedented initiative, known as the Insider Threat Program, is sweeping in its reach. It has received scant public attention even though it extends beyond the U.S. national security bureaucracies to most federal departments and agencies nationwide, including the Peace Corps, the Social Security Administration and the Education and Agriculture departments. It emphasizes leaks of classified material, but catchall definitions of “insider threat” give agencies latitude to pursue and penalize a range of other conduct.

Government documents reviewed by McClatchy illustrate how some agencies are using that latitude to pursue unauthorized disclosures of any information, not just classified material. They also show how millions of federal employees and contractors must watch for “high-risk persons or behaviors” among co-workers and could face penalties, including criminal charges, for failing to report them. Leaks to the media are equated with espionage.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html#.Ucb6zZymU0M#storylink=cpy

“Hammer this fact home . . . leaking is tantamount to aiding the enemies of the United States,” says a June 1, 2012, Defense Department strategy for the program that was obtained by McClatchy.

The FISA Court that Obama and some of Congress is proud of:

All 11 of the current members were tapped by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. Ten were originally appointed to the federal bench by Republican presidents. Six are former prosecutors.

“The judges that are assigned to this court are judges that are not likely to rock the boat,” said Nancy Gertner, a former federal judge from Massachusetts who teaches at Harvard Law School. Gertner, a former defense and civil rights lawyer named to the bench by Democrat Bill Clinton, added: “All of the structural pressures that keep a judge independent are missing there. It’s ­one-sided, secret, and the judges are chosen in a selection process by one man.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-secretive-surveillance-court-rare-scrutiny-in-wake-of-nsa-leaks/2013/06/22/df9eaae6-d9fa-11e2-a016-92547bf094cc_story_1.html

Ugh, getting so sick of people on twitter saying "So Snowden wants to go to Russia/Cuba/Ecuador, yeah?! Not exactly free havens, free speech paradises, good human rights countries amirite?!"... It is totally beside the point.

Afaict only thing Snowden wants now is to stay out the blood thirsty hands of USA justice. The enemy of the enemy is his friend. In this particular case, free journalism has little to do with it. Snowden just wants to reside somewhere where he can stay out of USA's hands. And with reason.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNcBma5CAAEt0Jf.gif:large

Dutch cartoon figures Fokke & Sukke (yeah the names are a pun):

Fokke & Sukke have a tip for Snowden

Fokke: If you never want to appear in front of an American judge, there is only one place you can go...
Sukke: Guantánamo Bay

Damnit, cartoon's gone

The joke works without an image thought tbh