Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Saturday, 29 June 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/info/2013/jun/30/taken-down

Taken down: deals to hand over private data to America

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 30 June 2013 00.04 BST
This article has been taken down pending an investigation.

mike t-diva, Sunday, 30 June 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link

It's taken down from the website but the Observer already had it in print on today's front page.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 30 June 2013 11:40 (ten years ago) link

This is from a week back but a friend is really unhappy with this piece:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/22/ask-grownup-why-african-people-poor

I agreed it could have been written a lot better but couldn’t see a huge problem with it, but my friend finds it incredibly objectionable, and inherently racist. Do they have a point?

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 30 June 2013 21:46 (ten years ago) link

Another reason is to do with the way Africa was colonised by Europe. Countries such as Britain, France and Belgium would put the most cooperative African tribes in power. This made other tribes jealous and caused lots of trouble. Corrupt leaders would sell Africa's minerals, for instance gold and copper, and keep the money for themselves.

That's a pretty bizarre reading of colonialism. Ah sure, we just put some cooperative Africans in charge...

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Sunday, 30 June 2013 21:57 (ten years ago) link

the reason why europeans are rich, of course, is that foreigners helped them with their farming

ogmor, Sunday, 30 June 2013 23:39 (ten years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/01/internet-trolls-guide-to-different-flavours

While telling a woman not to leave the house at night if she doesn't wish to be raped would attract general contempt and disgust, it still seems to be perfectly acceptable to tell individuals not to go online if they don't wish to be trolled or cyberbullied.

Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Monday, 1 July 2013 15:41 (ten years ago) link

lol

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link

lol "cooperative" xp

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 July 2013 15:47 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/uOfGWA2.png

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 1 July 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link

zenkaon

09 July 2013 3:04pm
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What about the human rights of the people who got murdered. There is no hope for them. There are no human rights for them. They are dead.

Once again the human rights of the perpetrators of crimes come above those of the victims.

Are Daily Mail and Telegraph readers who troll the Guardian comments threads worse than they used to be?

Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link

there are exactly as worthwhile as the guardian readers who troll daily mail comment threads, so it's zero sum i guess.

caek, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link

thought that last comment was in a localgarda sort of vein

The moderation seems a little faster / stronger than back in the day so the level of genuine hatefulness has diminished, I think.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link

I sometimes wade into those comments, and sometimes come out of it with quite a few 'recommendations', you know.

The nice people are always called things like 'bobanthonysmith' or 'lucy_jones' and are middle aged with a picture of themselves in France as their avatar.

The fucking cunts are the ones with a guy fawkes mask/crazy kitten/picture of David Mitchell as an avatar and they're at their worst when they're not even trolls

cardamon, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 09:42 (ten years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/10/sunny-weather-heat-night?CMP=twt_gu

this is full of fairly amusing drivel.

Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 09:49 (ten years ago) link

"This sunny weather is a reminder of the stifling heat of the night"

is the headline

Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 09:57 (ten years ago) link

"hey, it's fucking sunny outside isn't it?"

Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 09:57 (ten years ago) link

this just in from our "who are you telling?" correspondent

Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 09:57 (ten years ago) link

^^^ Give this guy a Pulitzer.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 09:58 (ten years ago) link

what a tool. "six people on the internet liked my fake comment for reasons i can't know, QED!"

Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:03 (ten years ago) link

On Comment Is Free liking a comment needs to be witnessed and approved by a justice of the peace. It's a serious business which demonstrates deep love of the comment in question.

Best thing about that Telegraph blog is that most of the comments beneath it are far more spoof-like than his trolling attempts. "Komment Macht Frei" etc.

Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:12 (ten years ago) link

some of the people itt remind me of guardian commenters

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:35 (ten years ago) link

must be annoying depending on their ire for a clickbait commission.

Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:47 (ten years ago) link

It would be if it worked like that but it doesn't.

Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 11:46 (ten years ago) link

Sounds interesting

Shamrock Shoe (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 21:15 (ten years ago) link

is there any way to stop the website geodirecting me to the US site? at the moment i have to select the UK edition once a day. it doesn't remember the preference.

caek, Thursday, 18 July 2013 22:21 (ten years ago) link

it used to do that to me too. I think I set the bookmark to guardiannews.com/ukhome but I don't know if that works still (it redirects me to the UK site, when I'm in the UK)

kinder, Thursday, 18 July 2013 22:44 (ten years ago) link

at the moment i have to select the UK edition once a day.

but you hate the guardian

lex pretend, Thursday, 18 July 2013 22:53 (ten years ago) link

the guardian is the least bad british newspaper

caek, Thursday, 18 July 2013 23:29 (ten years ago) link

such effusive praise

Mordy , Thursday, 18 July 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link

that is pretty much what every uk ilxor who hasnt written for them would say

the guardian is the least bad british newspaper

POLL

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 July 2013 23:43 (ten years ago) link

maybe dwight yorke would cast a vote for the wetherspoons paper

oh Mordy how are we defining "best" here?

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 July 2013 23:53 (ten years ago) link

i'm voting for al-hayat

Mordy , Thursday, 18 July 2013 23:54 (ten years ago) link

The series on Hindi pop-cinema is enjoyable:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/series/100-years-of-indian-cinema

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Friday, 26 July 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link

everytime this thread appears in sna the mantra 'yes, the guardian is always worse than it used to be' crosses my mind

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 26 July 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link

idk if it is true or not

i should probably try to get a 1976 copy

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 26 July 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/z3jnxCq.jpg

Alan Rusbridger taking part in the Reddit AMA

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 18:51 (ten years ago) link

to answer original groove : c'mon.
the fact is that the guardian is the best of a bad bunch.
life without it would be a fucking bad place ..
there are faults with it.
but still .. tis all about degrees of crapness ..
and i, for one, am very glad the guardian is around.
fuck the hate.

mark e, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link

^ yeah, this.

djh, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 22:35 (ten years ago) link

Can;t remember the last time I read something so badly written.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2013/aug/01/one-direction-fans-gq-abusive-tweets

Studied keyboard mash (tsrobodo), Friday, 2 August 2013 13:51 (ten years ago) link


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