Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (2443 of them)

Starring Jack Kerouac as The Lifeguard

waterface, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link

We'll likely see them all before the second volume of Neil's Archives.

lol we need a thread that tallies all the ilx comments about how neil is never going to release archives II

marcos, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link

fwiw, this'll make the second Bootleg Series that's come out since the first volume of Archives was released.

i'm guessing that bob isn't quite so heavily involved in this shit as neil - think it was maybe marcus who said that dylan felt better abt releasing his old archive stuff now that his newer recs were getting decent reviews, sales etc again, dunno if that's true or not, makes sense to me, tho

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:02 (ten years ago) link

man i love al kooper

szarkasm (schlump), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link

i think bob has basically signed off on the bootleg series as an ongoing thing -- would be surprised if he cares that much one way or another? obviously he doesn't want it conflicting w/ his new albums, but i'm sure he's ok with the steady stream of royalties.
neil on the other hand, yeah, you imagine he's deeply involved in every last thing having to do with the archives.

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:37 (ten years ago) link

Hmm, so how much is the "Dylan" album being ignored as far as this set is concerned?

Mark G, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 23:14 (ten years ago) link

It'll be a secret bonus in the deluxe delux version, only purchasable at Dylan shows in states whose names end in vowels.

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 23:29 (ten years ago) link

Dylan was a revenge/dick move by Asylum, so it makes sense that it's being ignored.

CBS/Columbia, you mean.

Mark G, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 23:44 (ten years ago) link

Right, whoops.

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:06 (ten years ago) link

Asylum's dick move was releasing Planet Waves (I kid,I kid).

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:16 (ten years ago) link

Actually, it was misspelling Richard Manuel's name on the cover.

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:23 (ten years ago) link

^^That's never been fixed BTW.

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:42 (ten years ago) link

Well, maybe he should complain.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 01:51 (ten years ago) link

Might be old news but this announcement has led me to this amazing RS 1984 Dylan profile by Kurt Loder - where they actually openly discuss what the bootleg series will become. Also some good stuff on Self Portrait:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bob-dylan-recovering-christian-19840621

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 08:13 (ten years ago) link

two of Dylan's most trusted friends — Larry "Ratso" Sloman…

i dunno, does that sound like a guy to trust

j., Wednesday, 17 July 2013 08:15 (ten years ago) link

y

http://www.amazon.com/Road-Bob-Dylan-Larry-Sloman/dp/1400045967

waterface, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 10:38 (ten years ago) link

he is named after a wily con man!!

j., Wednesday, 17 July 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link

The cover is new artwork by Bob Dylan. The liner notes have been written by Greil Marcus, who wrote the original Self Portrait review for Rolling Stone that infamously asked, "What is this sh**?".

Mark G, Thursday, 18 July 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link

that cover art is amazing. total guess, but is it dylan's dad?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m11h7bTGva1qma5p0o1_400.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 18 July 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link

pretty excited for this release -- only wish they had just gone on to cover pat garrett / planet waves stuff too. it'd fit into the "Wilderness Years" aspect of this set. also a little disappointed there isn't anything from the john wesley harding sessions, but knowing what i know about that record, there might just not be any outtakes at all. the JWH numbers on the isle of wight set w/ the band are wonderful though. i love that record, but it might've been better if he'd just asked those guys to play on it.

tylerw, Thursday, 18 July 2013 14:31 (ten years ago) link

Might be old news but this announcement has led me to this amazing RS 1984 Dylan profile by Kurt Loder - where they actually openly discuss what the bootleg series will become. Also some good stuff on Self Portrait:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bob-dylan-recovering-christian-19840621

This article is blowing my mind. I haven't even made it past any of the religion/politics stuff.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 18 July 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link

Keep trying, it's worth it. And speaking of his house in Malibu, as he does, here 'tis (brace yourselves) http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/thaliasghost/2995_Malibu3ir.jpg
Reminds me of some of his albums (and interviews).

dow, Thursday, 18 July 2013 21:14 (ten years ago) link

What is that thing on the far left--?

dow, Thursday, 18 July 2013 21:15 (ten years ago) link

chimney covered w/vines?

adrian "stanky" legg (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link

His old political leanings, xpost

Mark G, Thursday, 18 July 2013 21:42 (ten years ago) link

that cover art is amazing. total guess, but is it dylan's dad?

I understand it's Jack Kerouac.

Super excited for this!

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 18 July 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link

Keep trying, it's worth it.

Still plowing through it -- there's some serious gold in here.

On video:

What do you make of video? Do you think it's all that important?

Uh, to sell records, yeah. But videos have always been around. David Bowie's been makin' 'em since he started. There was one thing I saw on a video, and I thought it was great. Then I heard the record on the radio, and it was nothin', you know? But video does give you something to hook onto.

I was just talkin' to Ronnie Wood the other night. He went to the Duran Duran show at the Garden, and he said it was really funny, because they had a great big screen up over the stage with huge close-ups of the band members. And every time they showed a close-up of somebody in the band, the audience would just go crazy — they'd go mad, you know? So while they were showing a close-up of somebody in the band, the guitar player'd be playing a lick. So he'd think they were all doing it for him. Then he'd play the same lick again to get the same response — and get nothing.

On Self Portrait:

But why did you make it a double-album joke?
Well, it wouldn't have held up as a single album — then it really would've been bad, you know. I mean, if you're gonna put a lot of crap on it, you might as well load it up!

On change:

In the Sixties, there was feeling that this society really was changing. Looking back, do you feel it changed that much?
I think it did. A lot of times people forget these modern days that we know now, where you can get on an airplane and fly anywhere you want nonstop, direct, and be there — that's recent. That's since what, 1940? Not even that — after the war, it was. And telephones? Forget it. I mean, when I was growin' up, I remember we had a phone in the house, but you had to dial it; and I also remember there was a party line of maybe six other people. And no matter when you got on the phone, you know, there might be somebody else on it. And I never grew up with television. When television first came in, it came on at like four in the afternoon, and it was off the air by seven at night. So you had more time to . . . I guess to think. It can never go back to the way it was, but it was all changing in the Fifties and Sixties.

My kids, they know television, they know telephones. They don't think about that stuff, you know? Even airplanes: I never rode on an airplane until 1964 or somethin'. Up till that time, if you wanted to go across the country, you took a train or a Greyhound bus, or you hitchhiked. I don't know. I don't think of myself as that old, or having seen that much, but . . .

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 18 July 2013 22:24 (ten years ago) link

That's very possibly the best profile of a major star I've ever read. Damn.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 18 July 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link

I remember we had a phone in the house, but you had to dial it

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 July 2013 22:32 (ten years ago) link

^^Unused lyric from "Clean Cut Kid".

Uncle Cyril O'Boogie (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 18 July 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link

hahahaha:

You've seen the Clash, I understand?
Yeah. I met them way back in 1977, 1978. In England. I think they're great. In fact, I think they're greater now than they were.

You mean since Mick Jones left?
Yeah. It's interesting. It took two guitar players to replace Mick.

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 July 2013 23:14 (ten years ago) link

Ah, the brief window of optimism possible before Cut the Crap was released....

one way street, Thursday, 18 July 2013 23:35 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.npr.org/2013/08/18/210228529/first-listen-bob-dylan-highlights-from-another-self-portrait-1969-1971#Dylan
some previews. this is sounding amazing.

tylerw, Monday, 19 August 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link

:D

szarkasm (schlump), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link

this is gonna be really great

ryan, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

still pretty irritated that the isle of wight show is only available on the pricey deluxe version. i guess it'll be "out there" though. i love that show -- a little wobbly at times, but totally unique versions. also pretty interesting that there's that "minstrel boy" reportedly from the basement tapes sessions, which hasn't appeared on any of the many bootlegs of that material. wonder if there's even more basement tapes that haven't gotten out there?

tylerw, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link

not even included in the vinyl box which is sooooo annoying

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 August 2013 20:24 (ten years ago) link

i bet it'll be some kinda record store day release

tylerw, Monday, 19 August 2013 20:28 (ten years ago) link

Ha oh good at least it will completely infuriating to buy then as well as overpriced

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:59 (ten years ago) link

Not to worry, it will be in Fopp for £20 within 6 months..

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 14:07 (ten years ago) link

Nice mini-doc on Amazon--a freebie, and you don't even have to sign in, streaming 'til Aug. 26. Think all the excerpts are from the xpost sampler still streaming on NPR. Good visuals, although Bob Johnston's lost some more teeth. Also see "What is this shit?" and session lists incl "Sitting on the Dock of the Bay" and others I haven't heard (some are bolded-in w extra pen; are these the only ones still around/actually recorded?) Best stuff from Al Kooper, who got to remix at least a couple of tracks from New Morning, and says all the NM songs were from the unfinished Broadway collaboration w Archibald MacLeish. Dunno about that; they always seemed pretty personal, or at least self-referential. but could be all of the above---anyway http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_288950_32092510_pe_button/?docId=1001297451&ie=UTF8

dow, Friday, 23 August 2013 22:55 (ten years ago) link

his voice sounds so good on these tracks. def my favorite dylan era.

ryan, Friday, 23 August 2013 23:07 (ten years ago) link

Was just thinking the same thing. It's him a bit past the "singerly" voice of Nashville Skyline.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 23 August 2013 23:40 (ten years ago) link

snagged a pre-release copy of this through #secrete means and it is fucking great. partly biased because this era is my favorite Dylan era, but there's a ton of good stuff on here. reaaaaaaaaally wish the isle of wight wasn't deluxe only.

thot police (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, 24 August 2013 02:27 (ten years ago) link

the unreleased songs are an amazing lost album from that era. neil young needs to step his archives up

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 24 August 2013 02:42 (ten years ago) link

fuck a sony for releasing this in a 2-CD edition and a 4-CD edition, the latter only purchase-able at an enormously inflated cost and with all kinds of pointless bells and whistles.

in response I'll just download the 4-CD edition and spend my cash elsewhere.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 24 August 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link

(will be the first bootleg series volume I haven't bought btw)

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 24 August 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.