craftsmanship, consumerism, virtue, privilege, and quality

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xxp why "artisan" and not "cheese maker"?

Spectrum, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link

but you craft one pickle...

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 26 July 2013 17:44 (ten years ago) link

my business card says 'reclaimed dildo craftsman'

乒乓, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link

bespoke handmade dildos whittled with utmost care to fit your internal dimensions

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Friday, 26 July 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link

Two fittings, guaranteed

乒乓, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link

I wld probalby buy a pickle from the guy who had been making pickles for 20 years over hte guy who had been making it for 6 months

乒乓, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link

THat's the problem, right. epople take time off and they read ablog about pickle making an three months later they open up the Picklery in red hook

乒乓, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link

read that as Pickleberry and thought "there's a concept the world is ready for!"

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 26 July 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link

Nobody wants to eat your pickles that you psent three months learning how to make. thats probably a terrible pickle

乒乓, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link

The other problem is that thinking high quality ingreidents make for a good pickle. Okay your cukes are from a family owned farm near the finger lakes and your vinegar was distilled from all organic apples grown in connecticut. Your pickles still fucking suck you goddam asshole

乒乓, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link

Nobody wants to eat your raspberry dill coriander pickle. Go away

乒乓, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link

You say that and I want to agree w you but I had a temp roommate last year who made "peach lavender butter" which sounded mystifying (and worrisome) but turned out to be AMAAAAAZING and I wish she had been my roommate longer so I could benefit more. She was also young and super awesome and worked at an artisanal pickle store, incidentally.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 26 July 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link

ugh i spent $12 on a so-called artisan pickle that was SO OBVIOUSLY the work of a journeyman picklesmith, just dreadful, i just had to returned to the neighborhood cornichonerie and demanded my money back

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Friday, 26 July 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link

Journeyman picklesmith is a delightful phrase

乒乓, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link

This brine. THis brine contains the salt of my father's sweat, and the salt of his father's sweat before him, and the salt of his father's sweat before him. WE have toiled long and hard and across generations to bring you this briny pickle. Eat it with respect

乒乓, Friday, 26 July 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link

Give a man a pickle and he will eat that pickle. Teach a man how to throw a bunch of cucumbers into a barrel with some brine and vinegar and he will feed all of Brooklyn with artisanal pickles.

wk, Friday, 26 July 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link

also <3 Journeyman Picklesmith. the central character in a ribald 18th C knockabout allegory.

Fizzles, Saturday, 27 July 2013 06:09 (ten years ago) link

http://www.cbc.ca/books/malcolm.jpg

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 27 July 2013 13:02 (ten years ago) link

sorry all this talk about brooklyn artisanal pickles reminds me of this: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/shouts/2013/01/sell-out-part-one.html

chinavision!, Saturday, 27 July 2013 14:42 (ten years ago) link

pretty sure malcolm gladwell is a lurker here

fervently nice (Treeship), Saturday, 27 July 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link

i sense the pressure of his gaze

fervently nice (Treeship), Saturday, 27 July 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link

Can't believe i didn't read that story before. Amazing.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 27 July 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link

i do not know your words.

j., Saturday, 27 July 2013 19:21 (ten years ago) link

Ever so often I want to slip into that manner of speaking: "is good"

chinavision!, Saturday, 27 July 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link

J - explain plz w yr own word things?

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 27 July 2013 20:13 (ten years ago) link

that pickle thing was pretty funny. i read it. today.

scott seward, Saturday, 27 July 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link

I can't read it without hearing the voice of Gru which seems somehow appropriate.

wk, Saturday, 27 July 2013 21:48 (ten years ago) link

that was my man herschel, sterl, cmon

j., Sunday, 28 July 2013 00:11 (ten years ago) link

hey elmo you've been talking about gender and fiber art a lot on this thread so it seems like the right place to mention this person's work to you http://erinmriley.com/section/19419.html

i too went to college (silby), Monday, 5 August 2013 00:11 (ten years ago) link

i have seen her work before! i really appreciate the tension in her work between the ephemeral nature of the snapshots she uses as source material and the actual process of tapestry weaving, which by its nature is very slow & rigidly procedural, accumulative

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Monday, 5 August 2013 01:48 (ten years ago) link

This sort of fits the thread, given the frequent conflation of precious consumerism with environmentalism:

http://observer.com/2013/04/the-lie-of-locavorism/

HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link

Maybe I don't hang out in the right circles to be pelted with so much "extreme locavorism" but that article seems so strident, not that I don't like a good rant because I do, it's just that, why does he have to beat it into the ground? I don't know who he's railing at. If it's just rich people whose nannies can pick up their CSA at the Navy Yard during business hours, then okay I guess but who takes them seriously anyway?

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, outside a few neighborhoods in Brooklyn (and the circles of people who regularly eat in trendy restaurants) I don't think it's an issue that crosses people's minds that much. There's almost no visible "locavorism" in my neighborhood. Maybe it's visible at Whole Foods - I don't shop there. It's not like there's any real threat to the food system as we know it right now.

HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:06 (ten years ago) link

Community gardens aren't even my particular thing, but I could probably think of 3 benefits of them that aren't remotely addressed by that article. All the whole-life improvement stuff, understanding where food comes from, teaching kids about growing things, encouraging people to eat fresh veg & fruit by giving them a stake in them, just for starters.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link

I think there are important differences between community gardens and the kinds of urban farms he's mainly talking about.

HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

But yeah, I think there's probably benefit to every city having some urban farming, it's just not the kind of thing that we can or want to scale to account for a significant part of our food supply (except maybe in cities like Detroit that have huge amounts of unused land).

HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link

I've thought about that before but I'm fairly certain no soil in Detroit is clean enough to grow food in--trucking in the topsoil and/or cleaning up all that land is prohibitively expensive and complicated.

Also yes, block gardens etc are different from the farms he's talking about, but he's ONLY TALKING ABOUT one arm of the local food movement. It feels like he just chose the one he could "debunk" and ignored the others.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link

hmm good point in re Detroit

HOOS next aka won't get steened again (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link

i too think that fresh fruit and vegetables are better when they have steak in them

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 9 August 2013 21:16 (ten years ago) link

was it the new yorker that had that article a long time ago about how much less energy people in cities use? per person or whatever. that article was ahead of its time. maybe its still online.

scott seward, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link

when i lived in philly i ate a LOT of new jersey produce in the summer. there was so much from jersey. great stuff too. you could get normal jersey vegetables or fancy vegetables. they had it all.

scott seward, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link

okay, i should really read that article. i'll read it now...

scott seward, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link

new jersey has lots of great farms. but they are great actual farms. it is a state with lots of farmland.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 9 August 2013 21:32 (ten years ago) link

its the garden state, iirc.

scott seward, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:33 (ten years ago) link

i'm already confused by that article cuz he says people in nyc want more gardens and then he talks about gas mileage from roscoe new york.

scott seward, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:34 (ten years ago) link

eh i can't read the whole thing. when he starts blasting CSAs - you don't even know what vegetables you will get you better really like vegetables! - what a dummy.

scott seward, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link

even the whole gas mileage semi truck/freight train travel thing is dumb. as if a train from california stops in front of every grocery store and unloads its produce and saves precious energy. that train unloads and a million trucks load up with produce and then navigate endless miles of city traffic to get the friggin' carrots to grocery stores. dummy.

scott seward, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:47 (ten years ago) link

reading scott's posts in a dr. steve brule voice

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 9 August 2013 21:52 (ten years ago) link

lol me too

It is like ganging up on Enya (Trayce), Friday, 9 August 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link


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