In retrospect, Eminem kind of sucks right?

Marshall Mathers

;)

maybe he's not really white btw ;)

Oh come on, the "chocolate on the inside" thing had to be intentional.

no you come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I kinda love "Purple Pills."

Extreme guilty pleasure: that one thats like "Sometimes I feel like the worlds on my shoulders.."

Okay.. he had his moments. I apologize. I need to sleep now.

wait is seriously nobody gonna properly rep for Em's mic skills with any weight? total bullshit imo

sure can flow FOR A WHITE GUY

ay j0hn:

Forgive me if my hackles raise when you compare one of the best rappers of the 90s to Froederick fucking Durst.

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, July 18, 2008 3:24 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Like seriously, do you just hear them and your brain goes *WHITE GUY RAPPING URRGG* cause I mean in a post-"Jump Around" world I totally feel you but come on

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, July 18, 2008 3:25 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Like dude is kinda a fucked up misanthrope and I wouldn't wanna kick it w/him but dude is an incredible writer too.

he has like the most annoying voice of any rapper besides maybe talib kweli

and really i've never been particularly impressed by his writing, he's not awful but he's definitely overhyped...

that's not to say I don't like any Em songs, I''m just saying for the most part he's pretty awful IMO

word HOOS I was waiting for ethan to get right and school these dudes because I ain't gonna go linkin the encore review but e knows very well dude was fucking on point for at least 2-3 years

xpost yeah my opinion exactly

someone link to some of those "unreleased" diss songs

we need an eminem retrospective i guess because this kid was a fucking genius, literally

a fucking genius, literally

lol wut

what was so genius about him? this post came about because I was watching this vh1 documentary series "and you don't stop..." which they always show, and basically the last hour was dedicated to Em and what an amazing, groundbreaking figure he was and i was just reminded of how lame he is

Literally

a fucking genius, literally

what was so genius about him?

rhymes

lyrics

flow

I mean he's not the greatest or anything don't get me wrong but for people to be "oh he sucked" I mean like only if you hate good rapping

Yeah I can even understand not liking the content of his rhymes or his voice, that's whatever, but to deny his talent as a technician is ridiculous

not liking is voice = lol subjective whatever

not liking the content of is rhymes = lol youre an idiot

what content? nothing of his ever really spoke to me on any level

There's talent as a technician and there's not being like sandpaper to the eardrums.

I don't deny that he's very good at wordplay and stuff of that nature, but I don't see him as some sort of MASTER TECHNICIAN either

MASTER DEBATER. maybe

wordplay & his ability to pull it off was like 90% of his game

what it takes for a rapper to be great = speaking to brainwasher on some level

in retrospect, he's great, same as the first time around. so's Encore.

what does that have to do with him sucking again? who talks about rap in technical terms like that anwyay?

what it takes for a rapper to be great = speaking to brainwasher on some level

-- max, Friday, July 18, 2008 4:20 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

well, um, yeah duh.

his persona is great. his weaving of textual levels is great. his pop sense is great.

what does that have to do with him sucking again? who talks about rap in technical terms like that anwyay?

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, July 18, 2008 4:21 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

"technical terms" = HE IS A GOOD WRITER WHO DELIVERS LINES IN AN INTERESTING FASHION

THIS IS CALLED "RAPPING"

I'm too lazy to do it right now, but someone should link to some of those old videos of him in the final stages of various rap-battle competitions. 8 Mile having Disneyfied that aspect of his early years to the point where "the battle-rapping Eminem story" is somewhat groan-inducing, it is easy to overlook utterly he eclipsed his real-life opponents back in the day.

overlook "how" utterly

first 2 1/2 albums are classic. and i still think it was some of the weirdest top 40 music ever.

but we're at about the normal cyclical nadir here, 10 years out, so the timing of this thread is right.

no, "technical terms" = ZOMG HE'S SUCH A MASTER TECHNICIAN, YOU MAY NOT LIKE HIM BUT YOU CAN'T DENY HIS TECHNICAL RAPPING SKILLS OBJECTIVELY as if technique is disconnected from style/voice/content/etc. Him being "technically amazing" doesn't make him a good or interesting rapper

Like seriously Brainwasher I'm saying: lots of strawburban kids connected w/Em cause he hated his parents and authority and tended to escape into fantasy like a lotta kids feel they're 15 and disaffected. You were never fucked up and 15? Good work. That doesn't mean Em's rhymes weren't acrobatically vivid.

I'm out for now but back later tho

lose yourself was one of his best songs easily

i dunno if thats a challop or not but im thinking maybe it is?

dude brainwasher can/did you srsly listen to for example 'without me' without lolling inwardly or outwardly about 5x times or more? xps

dude brainwasher can/did you srsly listen to for example 'without me' without lolling inwardly or outwardly about 5x times or more? xps

-- deeznuts, Friday, July 18, 2008 4:29 AM (16 seconds ago)

I said that there are some Em songs that I like, his lOLOLZ waCKY singles liek 'without me' and ' my name is' and 'real slim shady' are cool for what they are, loved them at the time they came out and there are other assorted singles and deep cuts of his that i like but I'm just speaking overall.. I don't think he's worthy of the praise he gets and a lot of his stuff is kind of embarassing when you listen to it now even though it was cool when i was in 5th grade or whenever "my name is" came out

Wow. This thread is almost 100% wrong. Eminem is classic and his albums (though only half of Encore) still hold up really well. Funny, entertaining, catchy stuff.

he's a good rapper but i don't like his music much
which is what i think a lot of the haters here are saying

always disliked Em's voice & flow

i hear those first two records as kind of out of like a zappa/beefheart (or kool keith, say) gonzo continuum, a lot of it still sounds kind of fucked up to me. "bonnie and clyde '97," "kill you," "kim," even "cleaning out my closet" (which is admittedly where things turned mawkish), it's pretty screwy. and the cuter songs have plenty of bizarro twists and turns too. i think his just plain weirdness is underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PANEcjhSfv4

He sucks now. The Slim Shady LP is classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XIoXLQUbvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD10kWdwxjs

i can't believe that "what is love"-sampling song is actually being promoted as a single

On the grossness of "Love the Way You Live."