Oh I know ppl will still buy this, I just think artistically you should be super mortified if you find yourself copying Sara Bareilles
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link
it's so amazing: there isn't a single verse that coheres into any kind of sense. When she drops the "eye of the tiger" line she might as well have said "smell like I sound/I'm lost and I'm found" before those horrifying chorus war whoops.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link
yeah i was thinking of "Already Gone," but between this and the beyonce thing I'm not convinced the gravy train is just gonna barrel forward. I mean, it's rare enough someone who has smashes off their debut has even more on their sophomore album (Debbie, Cyndi, Paula, etc failed). You either need to have pipes (Mariah, Kelly) or be canny as fuck (Madonna, Rihanna) and I'm not totally sold on the latter being true.
also that "eye of the tiger" sounds almost like "this girl is on fire"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:09 (ten years ago) link
and obv when i say "end of the road" i don't necessarily mean she'll reach tiffany levels of obscurity, just that she'll probably be in a judge's chair sooner than she hoped
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link
Great. I never need reminders to hate Alicia Keys too.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link
ehh i think worst case scenario for KP with such a clearly-not-rocking-the-boat project is that she'll have "only" 2 or 3 chart-toppers off this project instead of 5 or 6.
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:26 (ten years ago) link
I will post pictures of myself literally eating a hat if this isn't a hit
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:27 (ten years ago) link
it certainly has a better chance of knocking "Blurred Lines" out of #1 than "Applause"
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:28 (ten years ago) link
hey the #1 on Listen Without Prejudice was "Praying For Time" not "Freedom" so yeah, this may well be a hit
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link
http://www.englishforum.ch/attachments/daily-life/8849d1253055003-living-rural-community-switzerland-dragan-dabic-eating-hat01a.jpg
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:44 (ten years ago) link
i'm a card-carrying kp hater but idk i'm kinda riding with surm on this. it gets something right that all the loathsome things it's quite rightly compared to don't
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:46 (ten years ago) link
yeah I don't really hate this even though the Sara Bareillis mentions make me really want to
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:49 (ten years ago) link
wau guys`
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:51 (ten years ago) link
I dunno, I am not a Bareilles fan but Bareilles can sing and if anything Perry's got even worse
― katherine, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:52 (ten years ago) link
as for the lyrics they only really make sense if you see them as a branding extension. like the "tiger" and "lion" stuff exists 95% because Katy Perry calls and markets to her fanbase as "Katycats." (5% is "...it's the thrill of the fight!")
"I'm the queen of the night"
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:54 (ten years ago) link
I imagine the video will feature lots of tiger patterns.
― Greer, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:55 (ten years ago) link
Perry can sing as well, she is just cursed with a really ugly voice
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:03 (ten years ago) link
she also seems insistent on making songs that highlight the worst features of her voice. Like, the last chorus on this is gonna be torture to witness live.
― Greer, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:04 (ten years ago) link
ehh i think worst case scenario for KP with such a clearly-not-rocking-the-boat project is that she'll have "only" 2 or 3 chart-toppers off this project instead of 5 or 6.― some dude, mardi 13 août 2013 22:26 (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― some dude, mardi 13 août 2013 22:26 (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Might be wishful thinking, but radio can turn on you pretty quickly. Look at what happened to Ke$ha this year. And like someone mentioned upthread, Cyndi Lauper, Debbie Gibson, and Paula Abdul. They had a big hit with their comeback single and maybe a second one, but the rest was pretty much ignored and they faded away.
― LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link
hoping this turns out Perry's New Jersey.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:31 (ten years ago) link
ha i'll admit i was thinking this would definitely make a good first single for one
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:41 (ten years ago) link
ok lulz at this ytube comment on brave
MsKatiekittykat 2 hours agoThey have a similar drumbeat, a similar melody line, and that's it. The chord progression is similar but not the same and just because it has an uplifting tone does not mean that one stole it from the other. Katy could've heard Sara's awesome song and been inspired by it, prompting roar, or both artists could've written it a long time ago and they just happened to sound similar. JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY.
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:59 (ten years ago) link
they have the same beat and the same melody guys but that's it
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 02:01 (ten years ago) link
oh and the same message, but that's really it
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 02:02 (ten years ago) link
prompting roar
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 02:03 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s0hEi8zhmg
― the tune was space, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 02:16 (ten years ago) link
Katy could've heard Sara's awesome song
https://twitter.com/katyperry/status/334851857967104001
― dyl, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 03:31 (ten years ago) link
i dunno about this bareilles thing. are they really that similar? i guess both have the peppy piano riff but then again so does lily allen's "fuck you" and grizzly bear's "two weeks"
chord progressions are vaguely similar but perry's song is so much louder and huge-r
― monotony, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 13:20 (ten years ago) link
i hear a lot more "girl on fire" tbh. that, and "fun." and the quavering backdrop synth in the verses + cinematic string flourishes scan kinda LDR.
― monotony, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 13:24 (ten years ago) link
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:46 (Yesterday) Permalink
glad to hear it. i dunno i mean when that chorus kicks in i get a rush. also i don't hear the Lumineers thing, and i'm a card carrying Lumineers something
― surm, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/katy-perrys-roar-expected-to-out-sell-lady-gagas-applause-20130815
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link
neat. i read recently that katy has opened about having OCD. she was also in Vogue recently and i liked her pictures and quotes. she doesn't seem like a bad person.
― surm, Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:27 (ten years ago) link
katy's coming off 8 straight songs that never peaked lower than #3, only two songs off gaga's last album got that high. not surprising katy's got more enthusiasm out of the gate
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
also universal-to-banal empowerment number vs shrill meta electro
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:30 (ten years ago) link
i got some inside bits about Gaga bc she is working with one of my friend's art studios for the album art. she sounds kind of like a dummy
― surm, Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:34 (ten years ago) link
gaga's projected numbers are surprisingly low
― dyl, Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:38 (ten years ago) link
xp gaga's last lead single combined universal-to-banal empowerment with shrill meta electro and shifted huge units
― dyl, Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link
katy's coming off 8 straight songs
following her two bi ones
― only dogg forgives (Eazy), Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:44 (ten years ago) link
I'm curious what her first week album sales will look like coming off the back of 8 (soon to be 9) hit singles. KP is basically where Gaga was going from The Fame Monster into Born This Way in terms of public good will and chart success.
The timetable they're on is interesting though. Perry has no time for a second single in-between now and the album date, so her label must have had a lot of faith in this song doing well. Whereas Gaga has enough time to release another if this one doesn't take before the album's out.
― Greer, Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:46 (ten years ago) link
i don't think KP has nearly the public goodwill Gaga had at her peak, in terms of non-stans generally agreeing on her talent/importance. Teenage Dream outsold Born This Way, but there's still this big disconnect between how Teenage Dream was kind of had steady but unspectacular sales relative to its Thriller-like singles campaign.
― some dude, Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, but non-stans might still like her songs even if they agree she isn't particularly noteworthy talentwise. But most importantly, after 8 hit songs, radio definitely likes her.
And do you mean in the US, because a quick google search says Born This Way outsold Teenage Dream by a big margin worldwide, which is why I was curious about her album sales this time around. Will Katy be a Rihanna with hit after hit but surprisingly mediocre album sales, or will she be able to convince the public, especially the global public to invest in an album from her now?
― Greer, Thursday, 15 August 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
i might like this one more than any of her other songs, which isn't saying much, but i came around on "teenage dream." and i like this a lot better than the sara bareilles song, definitely, so w/e about that. "brave" doesn't have the swooshy gigantic guitar sound in the chorus, and that's the whole hook of "roar" for me
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Friday, 16 August 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link
THAT SWOOSH MAKES ME DRUNK
― surm, Friday, 16 August 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
the way she pronounces the word "past" in the first verse irritates me every time, most of all because it should be impossible to pronounce that word weirdly
― some dude, Sunday, 18 August 2013 13:48 (ten years ago) link
but yeah i meant in the US specifically Teenage Dream outsold Born This Way. Gaga def has more international appeal.
― some dude, Sunday, 18 August 2013 13:49 (ten years ago) link
Good song!
― only dogg forgives (Eazy), Sunday, 18 August 2013 15:35 (ten years ago) link
roar is a total earworm.
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Sunday, 18 August 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
if you took a songwriting robot and programmed in "girl on fire" "stronger" the recent p!nk catalogue and some shit by the script you'd get this basically, right?
so awesome how katy perry is overcoming the haters, way to go katy *yaaaawn*
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 18 August 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
this will sell a zillion copies but this is strictly mid-range, "wide awake" level katy perry song
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 18 August 2013 18:55 (ten years ago) link