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What is doing the processing?

Wasn't sure how much detail you were looking for but:

It's a six-track Max for Live set. I control everything with a MIDI foot controller.

There's a Looper on every track, set to reverse on three tracks. One important effect was a 'Randomized Stutter' which plays back randomized grains of the input at randomized speeds, allowing the user to select maximum and minimum grain size and playback rate and whose output amplitude is scaled to the input amplitude. I can also control dry/wet levels with an expression pedal. On the first loop that you hear, it's set so that the playback rate 'glisses' between random values, using the "line" object in Max. On other tracks, this is turned off so that you have a choppier effect.

The main effect on the second loop you hear is an FFT-based convolution effect that's probably too complicated to explain right now tbh, again with levels controlled by an expression pedal. (The input is an E-bowed low D.)

The third loop is one chord split between two tracks and looped backwards, with just the stutter on one track and also with a couple of FFT-based effects on the other that are based on compressing and expanding the relative amplitudes of the different frequency bins, either with an expression pedal or according to a preset algorithm.

On top of that, there are, of course, Ableton Live EQs, choruses, reverbs, delays, stereo panning, etc.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 August 2013 23:22 (ten years ago) link

very dope, i was wondering how much randomization there was, especially for the rhythmic (stutter & delay) effects.

compressing and expanding the relative amplitudes of the different frequency bins

i'm not sure i know what this means but it sounds cool.

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 16 August 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link

Any sound wave can be broken down as the sum of a series of sine waves which all have different amplitudes, frequencies, and phase shifts, right? It is this particular frequency spectrum that defines the sound's timbre. The FFT actually breaks the sound down into these component frequencies. Some of them obviously have much greater amplitudes than others. Basically, you could think of this as like a really fine graphic EQ. What the effect does is it compresses and expands the differences in amplitudes between the component frequencies (makes the levels on the EQ more flatlined or more peaky). I've got two effects on there, one that does this according to how I rock an expression pedal, another that does this automatically that is controlled by a wave that is generated by FM synthesis according to various inputs.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 16 August 2013 21:29 (ten years ago) link

I have been buying gear. gear gear gear.

I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 00:08 (ten years ago) link

me toooooo what did you buy

ship who you wanna ship (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 19 August 2013 00:11 (ten years ago) link

I'm doing a split cassette w/a false doom metal/drone band so I ordered a proco turborat and mxr blue box. and I decided I'm gonna buy an ebow too. I don't know how useful all of this will end up being but we'll see.

I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 00:21 (ten years ago) link

I bought a dual expression pedal which I'm hooking up to two pitchshifters. Single pitch -> microtonal clouds -> single pitch

ship who you wanna ship (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 19 August 2013 00:52 (ten years ago) link

Wow, that sounds v cool. You're using that to process your violin?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 19 August 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link

When we were first learning MaxMSP, with much frustration and without much sense of where it could ultimately lead, my friend and I had a running joke along the lines of "well, we spent two weeks programming ... in order to make a pitchshifter we could have bought from Guitar Center".

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 19 August 2013 01:00 (ten years ago) link

xp Yes. If the cloud is narrow and there's a plate on the treatment it is "instant orchestra" and if the cloud is wide and there is no plate it is "instant Hiroshima"

ship who you wanna ship (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 19 August 2013 01:00 (ten years ago) link

not actual explosions but Penderecki *cough*

ship who you wanna ship (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 19 August 2013 01:01 (ten years ago) link

"Plate" as in plate reverb?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 19 August 2013 01:41 (ten years ago) link

i am going to a jam session organized by a 'middle aged hack' in my neighborhood. craigslist ad. the guy likes classic rock, funny writer, seemed to have a good attitude. other dudes showing up to this thing have suggested some pearl jam and 'sweet home chicago'. should be fun!

R'LIAH (goole), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:20 (ten years ago) link

spent all day at work with headphones in listening to "Lost in the Stars" so I can have a hope of being half-memorized by Thursday; will repeat the process tomorrow

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:28 (ten years ago) link

impulse bought an SG :X

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link

!

there are more than 3.5 HOOS per steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link

also a RAT. i just went in for strap locks :/

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link

many emotions :/ :X :G :D

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link

rad!

Coming Out Of Elton John's Mouth (crüt), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link

i just thought, how am i tryin to be 33 and not owning the guitar i've wanted my entire life

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link

nice. i used to have one, then one day (artists rendition of what happened)

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZ7wmptPwCNwEr67oqOmJKfuigsTeASEsZuJCsNoEZerOVGlI6sg

brownie, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:53 (ten years ago) link

that makes sense sund4r, thanks for breaking that down.

i'm not complaining, but i had a review of a new track yesterday that said something about the rhythmic shifts being "unintentionally disorienting" -- oh i sure you, it was intentional. :)

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link

xp

snap. i really need to knuckle down and learn more about instrument repair. which reminds me, i need to fix a crack in the body of my t-bird. it's such a weird shape, it will be hard to clamp.

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link

i just thought, how am i tryin to be 33 and not owning the guitar i've wanted my entire life

OTM. I bought an ES-335 when I turned 34.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link

Congrats btw! That's great.

Exam in less than 2h.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link

<3 thx. and good luck!

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:01 (ten years ago) link

Thanks! A couple of flubs but I think it went OK.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link

"Plate" as in plate reverb?

Yes.

Trial and error (and necessity) finally yielded an effective method of creating a "home orchestra" sound for the many clients who wanted, say, "the Dillard & Clark sound" or w/e but no budget for players. It involves five tracks of violin per part using two different mics.

The big problem with multi-tracking violins for "strings" is the phase issues that are created, as well as problem frequencies (for most violins, that annoying 2K). I found that if you do two takes with the Coles ribbon mic for the "tone" and two with a 414 for the "presence" (hi-pass all the way up to 2.5 or even 3K), hard pan each, then run the result through a plate, you get a perfect wet sound. Overdub a single, centred, dry violin take with both mics at once for definition and voila you've got "Why Not Your Baby".

Anyway, the pedalboard version of this setup, which I'm getting together for a client with money to burn, I just got going today and it is ridiculously expensive to look at (two Pitchfactors, two Strymon Blueskys, one Pigtronix dual expression pedal) but it sounds, well, it sounds like a million bucks.

ship who you wanna ship (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link

I felt kind of excited reading that.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:18 (ten years ago) link

:) I'll make a little recording with it this week if I get a chance. It really does sound remarkable. Violinists are so fucked when it comes to live sound with our shitty piezo pickups and hideous looking electrics, it gives me great pleasure to fix a player up with a live sound

ship who you wanna ship (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:39 (ten years ago) link

That rig sounds amazing! Otm re: shitty piezo electric violin, that is the worst fucking sound.

Spot Lange (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:50 (ten years ago) link

Got to do a jam with my band last night for the first time in too many weeks, and it was probably one of the best ones we've done. I'd had massive reservations about the drummer we've brought into the fold (we'd been using drum machines up til recently) but with him settled in and not bashing away at 23123mph anymore, and me now on keys so the guys can concentrate on the guitars, the whole thing has just levelled up, and we came up with like 3 or 4 completely new potential songs last night. So freaking stoked!

It is like ganging up on Enya (Trayce), Thursday, 29 August 2013 01:35 (ten years ago) link

Now I need to think about maybe a few singing lessons, as I'm finding I need to revisit my ability to control my breathing and phrasing. Im sure smoking isnt helping.

It is like ganging up on Enya (Trayce), Thursday, 29 August 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link

just got off stage about an hour ago from singing excerpts from "Lost in the Stars" narrated by Governor Deval Patrick with a small solo by my wife

it was pretty fucking boss

(what was the purpose of that stupid costume) (DJP), Thursday, 29 August 2013 01:55 (ten years ago) link

Congrats

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 29 August 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link

Nice!

It is like ganging up on Enya (Trayce), Thursday, 29 August 2013 03:07 (ten years ago) link

i am going to a jam session organized by a 'middle aged hack' in my neighborhood. craigslist ad. the guy likes classic rock, funny writer, seemed to have a good attitude. other dudes showing up to this thing have suggested some pearl jam and 'sweet home chicago'. should be fun!

― R'LIAH (goole), Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:20 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this turned out to be both really awkward and a lot of fun

R'LIAH (goole), Friday, 30 August 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link

I just got a refret and set up done on my main electric, and have been DYING to play out, but have no time!

I also have a mandolin that I need to intonate, but no good tuner! Argh!

Sleep Deprivation Thriver (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 August 2013 23:03 (ten years ago) link

Goole - pls elaborate. I love unfamiliar jam sessions!

Sleep Deprivation Thriver (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 August 2013 23:04 (ten years ago) link

I've been working nights and weekends this summer on a ballet which I am on track to finish TODAY (or TOMORROW)

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 31 August 2013 14:22 (ten years ago) link

wow, way to go!

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Saturday, 31 August 2013 14:38 (ten years ago) link

OTM

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 1 September 2013 02:59 (ten years ago) link

sweet

HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 18:10 (ten years ago) link

finally ordered the elusive, discontinued memory card for my sampler from ebay to use with new musical project/band

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:51 (ten years ago) link

which sampler?

festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 22:58 (ten years ago) link

Dr. Sample 202

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link

The Sp-202 is a fun gadget. I did these entirely on an Sp-202. And many more, currently lost to time.

I did this this summer. It has words, too. I'm rather proud of it.

Austin, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 03:59 (ten years ago) link

I thought I was done but I forgot about the harp pedalling *barrrf*

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 7 September 2013 20:21 (ten years ago) link

i love all SPs and use my 404-SX all the time. i'd love to mess around with some of the older ones (mostly for the effects), if it wasn't such a pain to load samples on (i.e. ebaying old memory cards).

festival culture (Jordan), Saturday, 7 September 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link


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