The Picardy Third: A List Thread

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Sund4r, there's clearly a IV-V-I cadence in E major (and then in F major after it modulates). I don't think the F# minor chord (G minor after it modulates) is ever the tonic.

timellison, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:09 (ten years ago) link

i.e., I hear the verse progression as ii-vi-ii-vi-IV-V-I.

timellison, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:10 (ten years ago) link

"And I Love Her", despite being mostly built with minor chords, is indeed in a major key - the one at the end of the title phrase.

And yeah, despite sounding alot like a Picardy third at the end, it really isn't.

Lee626, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link

Oh, that makes sense.

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EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:13 (ten years ago) link

There's a D# in the melody, too (when it's in its original key).

timellison, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:14 (ten years ago) link

I think I was being thrown because of the way it ends on F#, which is kind of bizarre then!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:15 (ten years ago) link

The cool thing about that riff is that it never ends on the root note of the chord until the D major chord at the end.

timellison, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:18 (ten years ago) link

those beetles were clever

Lee626, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:18 (ten years ago) link

Isn't the tonic moving from Eb to E then? Or am I really having an off day? It sounds like Eb rather than D at the beginning, unless my guitar's really out or I'm really off (v possible; it's a stressful day).

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:20 (ten years ago) link

P sure "Sweet Child o' Mine" is in a major key (Mixolydian to be exact) too. Don't think there is even a minor chord in the verse or chorus? (Again, it's not my best day but I'm even looking at sheet music right now.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:25 (ten years ago) link

xp - E flat it is.

Lee626, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:26 (ten years ago) link

Sounds closer to E to F to me, but I think they were tuned a little flat.

timellison, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:27 (ten years ago) link

Throughout Nick Drake "River Man", with bonus points to Nick following it up with a Mystic #4. Song stays in A+ long enough to say "it's in A+" but the Picardy effect is in full force. Also big Picardy enthusiasts: The Zombies ("Time of the Season", "Butcher's Tale", "She's Not There", "Beechwood Sparks")

ship who you wanna ship (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:47 (ten years ago) link

I thought immediately of the end of "Beechwood Park" but then when I listened it wasn't there at all, it ends on some bichordal mess ;_;

ship who you wanna ship (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:49 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

The Kinks - "Sunny Afternoon"

timellison, Monday, 23 September 2013 01:17 (ten years ago) link


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