all of this stuff that's just dylan, bromberg and kooper is deeply killer.
― tylerw, Monday, 26 August 2013 22:37 (ten years ago) link
not sure if it would've worked all that well in the context of the album, but this horn-overdub version of New Morning is a delight. Seems like it could've been an AM radio hit this way. hilarious that Al Kooper did all of this orchestration work (see the version of "Sign on the window" here too) and then Dylan was like "nahhhh."
― tylerw, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
The CD deluxe set sold out, but the 3-LP/2-CD Box set is still available here, £45
http://www.popmarket.com/
― Mark G, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
Oh man, Pretty Saro is one of my favorite old folk songs, cool that he did a version
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
love "this evening so soon"
― one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
what's the relationship between "in search of little sadie" and johnny cash's "cocaine blues" - they both use some of the same lyrics, assuming obv it's stuff floating around in the folk tradition but is there one that was "first"?
― everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 17:26 (ten years ago) link
iirc "cocaine blues" is a country rework of "little sadie"... I think Dylan is borrowing his version from Clarence AShley?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
Clarence Ashley's "little sadie" would've been recorded sometime in the 30s, I think.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
i'm sure they both got it from there
― everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
probs! man, this whole thing is pretty great. it is weird to think if Dylan had just decided that this was what he wanted to do for the rest of his career. he'd basically be michael hurley or something. love dylan's fumble fingered piano on some of these tracks.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
Hmm so I need to get this, yes?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
Two disc set is on Spotify now.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 22:59 (ten years ago) link
got this; interested in the insert for the "complete album collection", but wondering if the 14 newly remastered ones are the only remasters, or if they include e.g. the Blonde on Blonde remaster from a few years back
― Euler, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 23:36 (ten years ago) link
also hoping that this is my way into New Morning, which has evaded me all these years
― Euler, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 23:37 (ten years ago) link
yeah, in that xp mini-doc Kooper quotes Dylan as saying, "I'm gonna erase most of this", and he doesn't seem indignant, but does seem excited to find that the full horn tracks do still exist, and that he got to work on the remasters. I like 'em as alt takes, but do think they might've oversold the happiness of "New Morning"("Automobile comin' into style", which also implies the way new mornings get old, "planned obsolescence", as everybody's econ teacher used to say, but he's not being ironic, just a passing nod to such, while still happy). And horns could've def been too much company for the isolation of "Sign On The Window." The lone french horn on the corner seems right. And Kooper also loves the way Dyl sings "slee-ee-eet".
― dow, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 02:08 (ten years ago) link
Two disc set is on Spotify now.Right now I'm just seeing 15 tracks; think they're the same as the "Highlights" thing NPR was streaming.
― dow, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 02:49 (ten years ago) link
Could be right.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 03:16 (ten years ago) link
"slee-ee-eet"
always loved the phlegmy inflection of this too.
― ryan, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 04:41 (ten years ago) link
horns!
― j., Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
this album is awesomely MINOR
I'm gonna have to give New Morning another try after this, because the mellow jams on this are totally beguiling. I even liked "If Dogs Run Free"!
― Euler, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link
dogs run free on another self portrait is wild -- it's actually a song!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
euler, i don't recall exactly, but i think i first cottoned to new morning after gradually working my way forward in dylan's catalog, but it helped a lot when i realized that 'the man in me' was dylan - i had heard it umpteen times in 'the big lebowski' without realizing who it was, even though i had been listening to dylan for years all the while. that, and the general posi vibe, somehow really made the album blossom quickly for me. (and maybe a tom ewing remark about fat happy bearded family-dylan?)
― j., Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's like the final frontier for me and Dylan, & even reading Chronicles didn't trigger any new insights
I guess I don't really "get" Planet Waves yet either, but there it's Bob's shouty voice that bugs me (even worse on Before the Flood)
still wanna poll Bob singing voices one of these days
― Euler, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
i don't want "if dogs run free" to be a song; it's nothing without the scatting and dylan's dopiest ever vocals
this is the only album i'm gonna listen to for like a month tho
― one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link
ha, his vocal is still dopey on this version, but there's a chorus. it's nice!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
The Persuasions did a really good a capella version of "The Man In Me" back in the 70s; may be on their more recent all-Dylan album too. Always loved "If Dogs Run Free", but not every dawg can hear it. A tip o' the red Panama to Mose Allison, seems like. Hit it baby.
― dow, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsx9YBV9EnM
― everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link
haha! that is sweet.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:00 (ten years ago) link
wish there was a solo piano demo of man in me on the new bootleg series. love dylan's piano playing.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:01 (ten years ago) link
I just discovered "All the Tired Horses" on Self-Portrait – I can only imagine how that must've been received at the time of its release.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:33 (ten years ago) link
I think Greil Marcus' response has gone down in history.
― Mark G, Thursday, 29 August 2013 08:18 (ten years ago) link
I could barely get through the first page of it.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:52 (ten years ago) link
kinda interesting to hear Kooper's version of "Went To See The Gypsy" in light of these other versionshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGnIgNkbwAseems like everyone had pretty different ideas of how this song should go!
― tylerw, Thursday, 29 August 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link
isn't "went to see the gypsy" supposed to be about Elvis? or am I making that up?
― brio, Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
that's how I hear it
― what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
that's the theory -- makes sense to me, vegas, big hotel, etc. greil marcus says in the new liners that he doesn't hear it, but grein of salt there.
― tylerw, Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:26 (ten years ago) link
Even if it isn't about Elvis, it is about Elvis.
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link
ha! yeah... like "The Hole He Said He'd Dig For Me" by Jerry Lee. Can't not be about Elvis.
― brio, Thursday, 29 August 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
On Another Self Portrait... I've read far too many reviews expressing the need to re-evaluate the original album based on the material included in Bootleg #10. Idiots; then and now.
― bodacious ignoramus, Friday, 30 August 2013 20:44 (ten years ago) link
the first time i heard self-portrait was in my local record store and the guy working was playing it...i asked him "this dylan bootleg is awesome, where did you get it?" and he said "this is self-portrait"
― everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 August 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link
i dunno, i'm pretty into self portrait, but i have no idea what I would've thought of it when it came out.
― tylerw, Friday, 30 August 2013 21:01 (ten years ago) link
i mean, i can see how someone in 1970 would think it was the most out of touch record bob dylan could possibly put out. which in some ways was the point, and in some ways is why it's actually a good record.
― tylerw, Friday, 30 August 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
the Pitchfork review was excellent fwiw
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 August 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
this era in general has the feeling of bob dylan being free of the weight of being Bob Dylan
― everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 August 2013 21:57 (ten years ago) link
― bodacious ignoramus, Friday, 30 August 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link
how is what you said a contradiction? He started being himself by being free of the weight of Bob Dylanness.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 August 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link
I meant the same thing I think, free of being Bob Dylan: Voice of a Generation
― everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 31 August 2013 00:22 (ten years ago) link
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 30, 2013 5:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ah yes, the customary "it's not all hip-hop mixtapes and metal" Pfork review of an archival release by an irreproachable sacred cow; a review that fails to quote a single Bob Dylan lyric in a review of a fucking Bob Dylan record. Yes, indeed, Bra-VO.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 1 September 2013 01:23 (ten years ago) link
Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on you, Alfred. I do disagree - quite vehemently - with your review of Blue Jasmine from that other thread, but I posted the above before I saw your name on the original post, so, coincidence. In this case, it's the Richardson review that made me wanna barf, not your praising of it. It's out of my system now, carry on, I was never here, etc
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 1 September 2013 01:28 (ten years ago) link
Got the 2cd today, so great
Bob's "oh my goodness" during Days of 49 is one of my new fav Bob moments
― everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 1 September 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link