that is, i dont quite accept that Graysmith is simply a delusional obsessive. there is, as the film puts it, about an 80% chance he is right...what you do with that figure is precisely the point.
― ryan, Monday, 25 February 2008 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link
I agree that the uncertainty generated by the film is the key thing
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 25 February 2008 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Ryan OTM. That's exactly how I saw the conclusion. And the 80% figure is key. I honestly don't think you ever do much better than that. Not with regard to the really difficult questions, anyway. So I didn't see this film's conclusion as particularly ambiguous.
― contenderizer, Monday, 25 February 2008 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link
boring pointless movie. looked nice though
― am0n, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
today I was (yet again) pondering this movie and was struck by its thematic similarities to Alan Moore's "From Hell" - the serial killer thriving on attention, the collective panic, the essential unknowability of evil, that kind of thing.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link
ar0ng
― and what, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link
^^
― omar little, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 17:20 (fifteen years ago) link
^
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
shakey--excellent! i was just about to start reading that.
― ryan, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link
one of the big differences is that with Moore its no mystery who the Ripper really is - the reader knows the killer's identity right off the bat. HOWEVER, there's an added ironic parallel to Zodiac in that Moore also very clearly says (somewhere in the appendices, I think) that he does not actually believe his fictionalized version of the Ripper's identity and motives is the truth. Moore's "Dance of the Gull-Catchers" epilogue super-relevant here as it traces all the various attempts to identify the Ripper anad how convoluted and impossible to untangle the whole thing became.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link
also am0n's not entirely wrong - this movie looked fantastic
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
and twat
― am0n, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
;)
graysmith's book is good though. i'm probably too familiar with it to get anything worthwhile out of the movie
― am0n, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
bet it won't be as good as the zodiac killer
-- am0n (am0n), Monday, November 20, 2006 8:28 PM (1 year ago)
^ i wuz RITE
― am0n, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
is that movie ref'd in Zodiac...? I know Bullitt and Dirty Harry are
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link
no but it gets mention in the book
― am0n, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Good call on From Hell and Zodiac parallels. There's also the occult and symbolist similarities to both murderers' MOs.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
the director's edit dvd is still unavailable in the uk :(
― piscesx, Thursday, 7 August 2008 09:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Director's cut doesn't add much, really -- one scene of detectives outlining evidence to get a search warrant, and one with a black screen for about four (!) minutes while the passage of time is denoted via a radio/musical montage.
― Pancakes Hackman, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:39 (fifteen years ago) link
dude, your dvd is defective. the passage of time wasn't a blank screen, it was a scene of the zodiac dancing to the music in his sinister lair.
― latebloomer, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:41 (fifteen years ago) link
in silhouette of course
― latebloomer, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:42 (fifteen years ago) link
naked
― latebloomer, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:44 (fifteen years ago) link
jiggle jiggle
― latebloomer, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:48 (fifteen years ago) link
with his junk tucked away?
― Pancakes Hackman, Thursday, 7 August 2008 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link
because if so I want my money back.
aha! 29 09 08 uk release for the 2 disc cut. no reason given as to why we get it a full year after everyone else but there we are.
― piscesx, Friday, 8 August 2008 00:29 (fifteen years ago) link
watching this again right now. so good! the vertigo echoes strike me more this time through, including in the score (david shire being very herrmannesque). not that the story matches up, except in the setting and the obesessiveness. and the lighting -- lots of disconcerting west coast daylight.
― tipsy mothra, Sunday, 10 August 2008 02:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Zodiac Killer's Identity Could be Revealed Comments 1 | Recommend 2 August 29, 2008 - 11:41AM
He terrorized the San Francisco bay area and taunted police in the 60's and 70's.
The FBI has now confirmed to CBS13 in Sacramento they are running laboratory tests on some items that may link a suspect to the Zodiac Killer.
The evidence was given to the FBI by a Sacramento area man who also claims he recently found a disguise worn by the Zodiac Killer.
This is a man who believes he has a very personal connection to the zodiac...as
"The identity of the zodiac killer is Jack Torrance. He's my step father" said Dennis Kaufman. "Am I obsessed? No obligated."
Kaufman spent eight years attempting to prove the only father he's known since he was five years old is the Zodiac Killer.
His Handwriting samples are similar.
The composite sketch of the killer shares similarities with his step father's photo.
Kaufman believes the similarities are to strong to be coincidence.
Dennis also claims his step-father, in a taped phone conversation indirectly admitted being the Zodiac Killer.
"If I wrote a book and said I think my step father is the Zodiac Killer they wouldn't (expletive deleted) believe me," said Kaufman.
Tarrance died in 2006.
Kaufman claims going through his dead step fathers belonging that there were disturbing finds including a knife still covered with what could possibly be dried blood.
"It could be a knife he BBQ'd with or a knife he murdered someone with," said Kaufman.
Tarrance also left behind rolls of undeveloped film, Kaufman plans to hand over to the FBI.
The roll Kaufman did develop on his own appeared to show the images of people who were murdered.
Recently Kaufman remembered his step father asked him several times about an old P.A. system, which led him to take it apart.
"When I first opened it up that did affect me. My heart skipped a couple of beats when I saw it," said Kaufman.
The material folded and tucked inside he believes may unmask the Zodiac Killer. It was a black hood with a zodiac symbol on it.
In Lake Berryessa, 1968, a couple, Cecelia Shepard and Bryan Hartnell were stabbed.
Hartnell survived and said his attacker was wearing a black hood that fell to his waist and had the symbol of the zodiac on it.
"I was definitely in shock when i saw this," said Kaufman.
Dennis claims this is the hood worn during the vicious attack, a possible key piece of evidence connecting his step father to the killings.
He also believes there are dozens more victims, never linked to the Zodiac Killer.
Including Kaufman's own mother who he claims was suffocated.
"She sat there and told me Jack was trying to kill her and I didn't listen. I can only imagine how she felt. Imagine how scary that would be. That is what kept me going this whole time," Kaufman said.
― am0n, Friday, 29 August 2008 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
There's a small voice in the back of my mind that always screams 'Nutjob!' whenever Kaufman shows up. Maybe it's totally valid...guy just sounds like he's Graysmith all over again.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 29 August 2008 23:41 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.zodiackiller.com/discus/messages/27/786.html
― deeznuts, Friday, 29 August 2008 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i don't really think he knows shit but i'm curious to see what the fbi makes of the "evidence"
― am0n, Friday, 29 August 2008 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link
video interview here http://cbs13.com/crime/zodiac.killer.kaufman.2.805799.html
btw ive read the zodiac killer msg board in the wake of the flick & every single person who posts there is as nuts as this kaufmann guy, just posting that link as fyi
― deeznuts, Friday, 29 August 2008 23:45 (fifteen years ago) link
http://bizot.ch/photos/Image/jack-ths-shining.jpg
― The Yellow Kid, Saturday, 30 August 2008 00:03 (fifteen years ago) link
at first I thought this movie was okay but too long and probably not worth watching again but i've seen it again three times now in the past month and there's something new to look at each time. Visuals are great of course, but there's also how so subtly good Ruffalo is - I didn't notice the first time how much thought he put into his movement and mannerisms etc. it just sucks me in whenever it comes on, the whole tension and pace of it.
― Roz, Saturday, 30 August 2008 08:21 (fifteen years ago) link
finally saw this, really good film and i hate fincher usually. seems like that is a common reaction upthread. one annoyance in this and other movies set in the 60s/70s is how inconsistent the actors look. jake did not for one second look "period" and downey's look was at least trying but pretty unconvincing. minor flaw tho as acting was good to great.
― buzza, Monday, 29 December 2008 05:56 (fifteen years ago) link
just got the 2 disc directors cut. omg moving the trees!!!
― Gukbe, Monday, 29 December 2008 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
watched the bluray last night. GOD this is the best-looking movie of the last i dont know how many years. i wanted to eat it
― s1ocki, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
downey's look was at least trying but pretty unconvincing
Downey at Riverside in the denim bellbottoms and floppy hat = teh awesome
― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 March 2009 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link
also this movie made me really appreciate Mark Ruffalo - he's been in a bunch of crap but he's one of my favorite younger-ish actors
― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 March 2009 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link
the vest!!
― s1ocki, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link
that rdj wore
i love the bullitt stuff... the dirty harry premiere
"yeah no need for due process eh guys?"
― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 March 2009 17:21 (fifteen years ago) link
i voted for this in the ruffapoll - i thought he was perfect, just hit all the right notes imo~
― boner state university (cankles), Monday, 9 March 2009 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link
ruff ryder
― s1ocki, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
i didnt think it was that great lookin btw... i mean, maybe it is, i guess i'm not a big DV fan idk
― boner state university (cankles), Monday, 9 March 2009 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link
it gave me an eye boner
― s1ocki, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Can't argue with bonarz.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Monday, 9 March 2009 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link