DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74511

nice guy, too

In 2004 Frazer invited to South Armagh Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America, an advocate of citizen's militias who had written approvingly of their use against insurgencies in Central America and the Philippines.[38]

Frazer came to wider attention in October 2005 when he got into a public argument with a Redemptorist priest, Father Alec Reid. Frazer made remarks that Catholics had butchered Protestants during the Troubles. Father Reid likened unionist treatment of Catholics to the treatment of the Jews by the Nazis. Reid later apologised for the remark, saying he had lost his temper. Frazer reported Reid to the police for incitement to hatred,[39] but no legal action ensued.

In October 2011 he attended a protest in Pomeroy against the use of rubble from a demolished police station to level out the playing field of the local GAA club, which hosts an annual tug-of-war event in memory of Seamus Woods, an IRA member killed by the premature explosion of a mortar while attacking the station.[40] The station was the target of many such IRA attacks during The Troubles.[41] Frazer stated that "moving the rubble to the GAA club would cause a lot of heartache for many families. The unionist population is small in Pomeroy and they certainly feel betrayed."[40]

After attending a Sinn Féin conference in November 2011 in Newry he reacted furiously to an apology by Ulster Unionist Party MLA John McCallister for "unionist failings" in the past. Frazer stated that people were "appalled" by McCallister's remarks.[42]

In 2012 when the city council in Florence, Italy, announced its intention to name a street in honour of the late IRA member and hunger striker Bobby Sands, Frazer condemned the move and stated that he wanted a meeting with the council to discuss the issue.[43]

In May 2012, after seeing the Italian flag being flown as part of a cultural event held in Donaghmore's St Patrick's Primary School and mistaking it for the Irish Tricolour, Frazer accused the school for 4-11 year old children of being "the junior headquarters of SF/IRA youth", stating on Facebook that "I wounder do they also train the children in how to use weapons, for it seems they can do what they wont.[sic]" Concerned for the safety of students and the school's reputation, teachers informed police of the accusations and photographs of the school posted by Frazer were later removed from Facebook.[44]

Frazer expressed outrage after his car was stopped and searched by the PSNI in October 2012 under anti-terror laws. He announced his intention to report the incident to his solicitor and the Police Ombudsman. The incident occurred outside Whitecross and Frazer's wallet and documents were taken away for examination. Unknown to police, he made a voice recording on his mobile phone. He had taken photos of the cars the police were in but police removed the camera from Frazer and deleted the images. Police provided no explanation to Frazer as to why the stop and search procedure was undertaken.[45]

Following the 2013 horse meat contamination in burgers scandal Frazer gave an interview to The University Times in which he claimed horse meat had actually been introduced to the food chain by the IRA five years before the scandal broke. He also claimed that republicans were behind "old fat cows that are 30 months old" being sold for food before adding that "a blind eye has been turned to it" and that "this is the kind of thing that's going on that we're sick of".[46] However no evidence emerged to support this claim.

Frazer's car was set on fire at his home outside Markethill in the early hours of 10 February 2013. Frazer stated that he was asleep inside the house at the time. A passing police patrol noticed the fire but the car was destroyed. Frazer blamed republicans for the incident and claimed to have received a death threat a few hours before the attack.[47]

Flag Protests[edit source | edit]On 3 January 2013 Frazer said that he had contacted An Garda Síochána to inform them that he and some followers would hold a protest in Dublin over the decision by Belfast City Council to reduce the number of days the Union Flag flew above Belfast City Hall.[48][49] Shortly thereafter he became spokesman of the "interim committee" of the Ulster People's Forum, one of a number of loyalist umbrella groups established to co-ordinate the protests.[50]

On 27 February 2013, Willie Frazer was arrested by the PSNI in his home village of Markethill, for questioning in relation to organising and participating in illegal parades and protests which were centred on the flags issue. Jamie Bryson, who along with Frazer was one of the most prominent spokespersons for the flag protesters, was also later arrested in Bangor after going on the run for several days. Frazer was charged with three counts of participating in unnotified public processions and obstruction of traffic in a public place.[51][52] Frazer was subsequently released on bail. On 16 July 2013, he was rearrested for alleged breach of bail conditions.[53]

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"...See if a Paki comes from India and kills a Provo? I'm going to shake his hand."[6]

(wondering why the "Paki" wouldn't come from Pakistan)

Willie Frazer is open about his belief that the loyalist paramilitaries were a necessary part of the war against the IRA. During a protest against the release of republican prisoners as part of the Good Friday agreement, he was asked about loyalist prisoners. "They should never have been locked up in the first place," he replied.

He told me once that, while he didn't condone the murder of "innocent Catholics", he had "a lot of time for Billy Wright", who "called a spade a spade". The notorious loyalist broke away from the UVF to form the Loyalist Volunteer Force in 1996 to kill Catholics in support of the Orange Order's right to march through the Catholic part of Portadown.

missed a bit

the other side of it is his father was killed when he was quite young and several other members of his family and etc

but idk if he'd be delighted to know that, when i opened the article, first thought was 'jesus gerry adams is looking rough"

i was gonna post in the irish politics thread but frankly this is your mess folks

traitor

i been called it and worse but i dint think you'd be one of them sean

the Irish Times/Indymedia article i linked talks about the murders of Frazer's family

clearly the guy is a product of the Troubles and there's plenty as bad on either side of the divide but to have lived his life and then have the temerity to complain about being indicted on a law "aimed at terrorists" well, just rolling my motherfucking eyes is all

anyone all ilx knows that i favour one (1) attempt at a peaceful solution before launching in with the alternative

would that my usual opponents were as scrupulous tbh

clearly the guy is a product of the Troubles and there's plenty as bad on either side of the divide

well hold on a fuckin minute ye started it

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/wf4.jpg

what would guy ritchie do

ah I'm as West Brit as they come but I felt like one (1) weak zing before engaging with the topic at hand xp

well hold on a fuckin minute ye started it

lol i don't pretend that the causes of that mess were evenly distributed, i'm only talking about the psycho fringe existing on both sides

guys that is weak performance ito overexplaining yerselves

i think we all know the rules by now like

as a hated Brit i try and watch my mouth over our glorious colonial heritage

greatest little island in the world at invading scribes TM cameron 2013

runner up at getting battered out of it by great great great great great great great great great great great grandons of scribes (judges special award)

dude we had a vision, you could've been another Canada

we weren't far enough away from ye

or idk, they were the child of yr dotage, indulged and coddled and free to be hippie liberal happy-go-luckies

we turned into bitter drunk accountants. go figure eh

of course we didn't find the white Canadians already in situ and then batter the fuck out of them for 500 years but still

A spokesman for the Irish Embassy in London recently said, "The British Isles has a dated ring to it, as if we are still part of the Empire. We are independent, we are not part of Britain, not even in geographical terms. We would discourage its usage .".[6]

No consensus on another name for the islands exists. In practice, the two Governments and the shared institutions of the archipelago avoid use of the term, frequently using the euphemism these islands in place of any term.

we've boiled it down to this, more or less. we'll have to agree to disagree. shake?

i've mentioned this book elsewhere this week but evil pomo historian Norman Davies uses "The Isles" in his book of the same name, after discussing what might be an acceptable term. of course, Britain ain't a country and the word British has plenty of pre-Anglo currency iirc

A disappointed google later, I realise I'd misread "evil porno historian" :(

blimey, me too

Me too and never thought twice tbh

Slave labour for unscrupulous businesses.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24327470
Hey rich bastard business owners! Fire all those pesky employees who have the temerity to demand minimum wage and replace them with unemployed people who are forced by the DWP to work for benefits at no cost to you!

Nothing like a bit of morning Tory hatefulness to remind you how deeply unpleasant the world is and dampen the vaguest semblance of life enthusiasm u may have irrationally held for a half-awake microsecond

hey now, we all know that the true culprits for the UK's financial woes are the people who are a negligible drain on the economy, and not multinationals refraining from paying their taxes. surely the best solution to get us out of this mess is to make the unemployed "look busy", rather than providing any meaningful answers to joblessness or, you know, making the rich pay their fair share.

This is spectacularly stupid really, it's a disincentive to create employment AND a drain on the time of people who could be actually looking for work.

the businesses won't be rushing to hire people you'd imagine, like pretty bad pr?

i find this to be political grandstanding of the worst kind. like... here's a thought, maybe people are long-term unemployed because there aren't enough fucking jobs.

No, it's worse than that. These fuckers consistently drop these horrible stories on a Sunday evening and all it achieves is a lot of anxiety for people who are underemployed, unemployed, sick or disabled. I'm sure, also, that most of the people who are angered will be 'of the Left' as well. It's state-sanctioned trolling of the poor by the rich, and it's making sick and anxious people more ill - physically and mentally. Companies will have every incentive to use (not employ) workfare drones, and none to pay proper wages for work that clearly needs to be done.

Does everyone remember when people kicked off at Philip Green that time he wanted praise for the NI contributions made by his business while evading any other meaningful form of business taxation? Apparently, a lot of multinationals (cough Google) have even cut deals re: their employer contributions - it's not just a swerve on corporation tax. Though I will say the person who told me this was an Amazon employee, in mitigation of his own company's behaviour...

To still qualify for jobseeker's allowance they will have three options - work placements, such as cleaning up litter; daily visits to a job centre; or taking part in compulsory training, for example, to improve their literacy.

People would have to remain on help-to-work until they found employment.

Those who breach the rules will lose four weeks' worth of benefits. Anyone who breaks the rules a second time faces losing three months' worth of benefits.

And then what? What do you do if you've lost your benefits because you
a) refused to do a council worker's job for him
b) refused to drag your kids to the "job" centre every fucking day (which, incidentally, costs money to get to)
c) refused to learn how to read because you already can and there's no-one to care for your kids while you go training

and your children are starving and your rent is overdue and you're out of credit on your electricity meter?

I'm sure, also, that most of the people who are angered will be 'of the Left' as well.

surveys on this kind of thing make for grim reading. people really support it.

Already had the chat this morning with some of the ladies in my office and they're all for it.

Admittedly we see an awful lot of dodgy claimants and career benefit fraudsters each day so their perception of the % of 'spongers' or w/e is probably extremely skewed, but even so, they're all cheering and laughing about how certain of our clients are gonna get by now. "About time if you ask me". I just don't get these people, so 'nice' and yet so hateful

He added: "They will do useful work to put something back into their community; making meals for the elderly, clearing up litter, working for a local charity."

THERE ARE PEOPLE DOING THOSE JOBS

Didn't this government STOP people working for local charities in order to do welfare to work schemes?

Yes. It's called "Taking the credit for placing people in unpaid charity work"

This is vile. If the unemployed are put to work to do a job that needs doing, pay them a living wage for it.

He added: "They will do useful work to put something back into their community; making meals for the elderly, clearing up litter, working for a local charity."

it's so close to criminalising unemployment.

On the BBC news this morning (6Music), the plans for workfare were described as being for “the stubbornly long-term unemployed” and “a sure vote-winner for the Tories.” Somebody please remind me why exactly we are paying the BBC a single penny of public money.

Hate the use of the term "something for nothing" as well, as if millions of unemployed people haven't been paying tax for years prior to losing their jobs.

How many millions did Osborne inherit without having done any actual work to earn it?

anybody familiar with how workhouses worked out re: undermining local industries?

cos it's pretty funny, and nobody in the Tory politburo appears to know.

Jesus wept.

I mean, is it just a matter of time before they start advocating Final Solution-type shit? Seems to be what most people in this country want.

this is why i say let them have their heads. the country is gonna get increasingly fucked anyway, at least we won't have to listen to subhumans whining about the welfare scroungers and the illegals, they can have everything they wish for and see what kind of beautiful Arcadian idyll we wind up with

I suspect it'll end up more like Atlantis, lost under flood water.