Scott is not a consistent director in any genre, but dude, watch one Alien.
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― amateurist0, Monday, 17 April 2006 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link
what a bad joke
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link
not that she's entirely wrong, but it's 95% opinion, 5% description, and a few too many puns
― amateurist0, Monday, 17 April 2006 04:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― gbx (skowly), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:56 (eighteen years ago) link
also kenan you sound like an ass
Well, Alien is a horror film, not an action film, so maybe you're onto something. But you sound like an ass most of the time, too.
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link
Try it out, it's UNCANNY.
― gbx (skowly), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link
also a lot of her reasons for disliking the movie were part of its strength! it really is a visual movie, despite the powerful score and quotable dialogue. 'the design is the statement", etc. IIRC she didnt like 2001 either.
― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link
Yes! I always thought this was clear too, yet have heard a lot of people argue against it, though with no footing, mostly "He can't be!" Get one ability to follow metaphor? I don't know.
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link
-- gypsy mothra (meetm...), April 17th, 2006.
otm!
― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link
(altho if she hadn't retired she might've raved up mission to mars).
oh man that movie
*begin digression*
mission to mars is soooo bad. we saw on it on my brother's b-day and he was so exasperated at the movie and its retardedness that when the alien hologram thingie shed a tear he burst out laughing in the crowded theater, making a bunch of others laugh with him. god bless my brother.
and goddamn the amount of eye shadow gary sinise wears in this movie.
*end digression*
― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link
Ebert!
Ebert gave this movie three stars. He did not understand it at all.
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:10 (eighteen years ago) link
i think in one of his reviews he admitted he prolly would have rated it higher if he was reviewing it nowadays.
― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― gbx (skowly), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link
Before the shooting began, Christopher Nolan invited the whole film crew to a private screening of Blade Runner (1982). After the film he said to the whole crew, "This is how we're going to make Batman."
― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link
Though they do both have Rutger Hauer. ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link
very true, but the scene seemed so close
― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link
um... you think we just figured this out right now?
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link
i was criticizing her writing, smuggo
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.itsvery.net/BladeRunner/Tyrell%20Office02.jpg
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link
-- kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (jdsalmo...), April 17th, 2006.
otfm! like 2001 and the first two Alien movies, it really holds up amazingly compared to other movies in the genre, then and now.
― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link
I didn't care for Black Hawk Down that much, but it wasn't because of Scott - if anything his work was the one thing I liked about it.
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost
sorry, Ned, others brought it up
― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link
As I said upthread: "The visuals. God, what visuals. They do not age, which is point of discussion in itself. This movie should look dated, but it doesn't. Why?"
Maybe because, apart from the special effects it employs, it borrows so much from noir that it doesn't age? And that the city shots are so borrowed from every other futurescape ever (Metropolis especially) that they're more like amalgams of futurity than original visions?
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link
what would this movie have been like if tony had directed it?
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't know what you mean. Please explain why talking about this movie is academic.
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.soniguales.com/fotos/LeonKowalski.jpg
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link
is it a controversial thing to say that deckard is the bad guy? maybe i'm ahead of myself but this hot take must have been typed out somewhere before. let's consider the evidence:
- he's a cop- as the opening crawl reminds us, he executes replicants. it's not called that. but that's what he does. he's an executioner. he's a deadly tool of the state. he drinks to forget it. but that's all he is. why does he execute them? not because they slaughtered 23 people. (and did they? really?) he would execute them even if they killed no one. them's the rules. - when he meets zhora backstage she's charming, suspicious, tough, glamorous - she's a complex personality. deckard puts on a weird voice and pretends to be a bureaucrat. she's seen it all before and she's not scared (she can take care of herself) but it's a vivid reminder of how deckard has just shrunk down to one dimension: a man with a gun. whereas zhora has a whole personality, a life- he's apparently fine with just shooting his weapon on a massively overcrowded street??- when he finally shoots zhora it's heartbreaking- when leon gets ahold of him it feels like justice- when rachel hesitates to kiss him, deckard blocks her exit from the apartment, throws her against the wall, and demands that she say she wants him. it's physical assault and it's mentally abusive- batty mockingly calls out in the nightmarish hide and seek at the end.. "i thought you were good! aren't you the good man?"
what you've got is an executioner who is happy enough to kill every replicant he meets apart from the one he has convinced to be his sexbot
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 January 2023 22:54 (one year ago) link
All sounds about right. Isn't that the point, really.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:00 (one year ago) link
i guess it was?! i mean.. i do feel kind of dumb for getting the point about 40 years late.
and.. i should have known morbs had posted about this
Deckard...can be power or he can be vulnerable to power. He chooses power. And power means murder.The first such murder we witness is that of a woman who escaped slavery and came to Earth. She has found herself a job. It’s a degrading job, a job that even the hard-boiled, world-weary Deckard flinches away from watching. But it’s a job. She is participating in society. She is working. She’s doing the things that she has to do in order to be a part of the world that she risked everything to reach.Deckard comes to her workplace. He finds her there, and he knows what she is, and she runs away from him because she knows what cops do to women like her. He chases her through the street and corners her. He aims his gun at her through a crowd of people. He squints. He takes a second too long to decide whether to shoot. She runs again.(Nobody tells you about that part, when you tell them you’re about to watch Blade Runner for the first time. They tell you about all the different versions, and they tell you about the ambiguity of the ending, and they tell you about the fact that all the effects are practical effects. But nobody tells you about the part where a cop aims a loaded firearm into a crowd of people and tries to decide whether it’s worth risking their lives in order to murder an escaped slave.)https://www.tor.com/2017/10/03/this-future-looks-familiar-watching-blade-runner-in-2017/― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 19:39 (five years ago)
The first such murder we witness is that of a woman who escaped slavery and came to Earth. She has found herself a job. It’s a degrading job, a job that even the hard-boiled, world-weary Deckard flinches away from watching. But it’s a job. She is participating in society. She is working. She’s doing the things that she has to do in order to be a part of the world that she risked everything to reach.
Deckard comes to her workplace. He finds her there, and he knows what she is, and she runs away from him because she knows what cops do to women like her. He chases her through the street and corners her. He aims his gun at her through a crowd of people. He squints. He takes a second too long to decide whether to shoot. She runs again.
(Nobody tells you about that part, when you tell them you’re about to watch Blade Runner for the first time. They tell you about all the different versions, and they tell you about the ambiguity of the ending, and they tell you about the fact that all the effects are practical effects. But nobody tells you about the part where a cop aims a loaded firearm into a crowd of people and tries to decide whether it’s worth risking their lives in order to murder an escaped slave.)
https://www.tor.com/2017/10/03/this-future-looks-familiar-watching-blade-runner-in-2017/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 19:39 (five years ago)
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:02 (one year ago) link
(that's written by the brilliant sarah gailey btw)
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:03 (one year ago) link
oh I was thinking you’d just watched 2049carry on
― mh, Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:31 (one year ago) link