Magic: The Gathering C/D

cider i saw you 4-0'd with that - what do you think of the (pricier) chandra red deck?

― Lamp, Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:46 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

2 Boros Guildgate
13 Mountain
2 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
25 lands

4 Ash Zealot
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon
16 creatures

2 Chained to the Rocks
3 Chandra, Pyromaster
3 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Shock
2 Warleader's Helix
19 other spells

Sideboard
3 Anger of the Gods
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Chained to the Rocks
1 Hammer of Purphoros
1 Mizzium Mortars
2 Pithing Needle
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Shock
2 Wear // Tear
15 sideboard cards

ive seen versions that cut the ash zealots for even more burn which seems p good. i've been thinking about red because of all the monoblack decks that ive been playing against and i have all the cards for this except the dragons

ok yeah i've seen that one floating around and i think ash zealot is probably bad there

i would rather play reynad's naya deck if i'm going to play a red control deck, i think it looks better than this one. either way i think you want more than 1 assemble the legion in the 75 since black can't interact with that at all

Theros prices seem pretty deflated on MTGO now, any idea what to pick up? Chained to the Rock at one ticket apiece seems like a good deal...

steam augury at 11 cents seems like a freeroll to me

yeah I saw that too - I mean it's not FoF but it compares well enough that I think it'll find a home someday. actually MTGOTraders has it at 6 cents...even better

other potential good values:
Anger of the Gods = $1.36 - could be a t2 staple?
Chained to the Rocks - only $.70 now
Firedrinker Satyr - $.27 ...could Modern use this?
Fleecemane Lion - $.81
Nighthowler - $.05 - seems like it's really well costed, I always thought it was the best of the Bestow dudes

also reaper of the wilds is a good card thats already seen some standard play but suffers from missing its dual land still

i don't remember slagstorm ever being more than a couple tix so i don't know how much room anger of the gods has to grow. chained to the rocks is good but the most comparable card, detention sphere, has been <1 ticket for a long time.

firedrinker satyr is not very good but maybe should be worth more just from being a 1-drop for rdw. def not modern playable if the superior rakdos cackler doesn't cut it there. i'm not that high on lion.

oh also prophet of kruphix is awesome and should be worth something eventually even if it doesn't stick in a standard deck

i would rather play reynad's naya deck if i'm going to play a red control deck, i think it looks better than this one

idk he has approximately 34 planeswalker cards in there for some reason none of which seem to compliment each other and the mana looks pretty terrible. fwiw i am completely willing to be wrong abt this and loxodon smiter seems like kind of a sweet card to be playing but i prefer the boros lists. there have been a couple of cleaner 4-0 lists in the last couple of days that added elspeth and i think its a deck to watch

i bought swan songs on mtgo on the chance that its an important sideboard card in eternal match-ups and its like ten cents or something. thats my speculation

yeah thinking about it more i think its probably right to just play RW buti still don't like ash zealot unless you're running purphoros and/or nykthos

i also wish there was 1 more way to go deeper into your deck other than chandra + magma jet

haha me too. wish there was something of value to do w/wild guess other than run the not very good rn pyromancer

purphomancer decks w/assemble just fold to like, everything though rn but man that feels sweet

do any of you MTG nerds play on OCTGN?

nope

cockatrice is the current standard for free MTG-ing, as far as i know. dont know anyone who still uses OCTGN

whoa

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/10212013/vintagemasters

essentially power 9 cards are coming, but they're basically as rare as foil mythics, and the set itself is gonna be double MSRP. dunno how this is going to be much different than Masters Edition

here's what i'm working on for standard now:

4 elvish mystic
4 experiment one
4 burning-tree emissary
4 kalonian tusker
2 scavenging ooze
4 boon satyr
4 reverent hunter
4 ghor-clan rampager
3 nylea, god of the hunt
1 polukranos, world eater

3 domri rade

4 stomping ground
4 temple of abandon
2 mountain
12 forest
1 nykthos, shrine to nyx

sideboard:
4 mistcutter hydra
3 nylea's disciple
1 polukranos, world eater
2 flesh//blood
2 time to feed
2 garruk, caller of beasts
1 bow of nylea

basically trying to build the best ghor-clan rampager deck since that card is way underplayed right now. blood is also awesome and should maybe just be maindeck, it's only bad vs supreme verdict decks.

looks like it would be fun to play. is there no room for savageborn hydra?

i like arbor colossus a lot in those r/g lists

this deck's too aggro for either of those, its not the ramp deck where you're generating a ton of mana

idk if you cant play a 6/6 for 5 in yr elvish mystic deck than

also if if you're playing 3 nyleas it seems good? i am terrible w/ r/g decks though, i could not find any success w/domri decks last season

yeah i might try it but i want to be more compact i think. mana efficiency seems to be the key to beating the sea of mono-black attrition decks

yeah monoblack is everywhere online despite it not being that good in the meta. i dont really like that deck and have been playing both u/w control decks w/prognostic sphinx and variations on r/w control to some success. i really, really like the u/w list but its not a deck that i enjoy playing esp because of the uptick in control mirrors over the last week. the r/w list is more fun but kinda loose.

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/silvestri-says-stats/

yeah i saw that - biggest takeaway i can find so far is that sea god's revenge is incredibly overvalued, several 'bad' commons are outperforming it in this sample

or maybe not, i misinterpreted how the scoring works here, but it still seems like its worse than the good commons and good cheaper uncommons

it really depends on your deck. a fast uw deck doesn't really want it more than another heroic trigger, but for other decks it's regularly a blowout.

also although the ordeals have a high win % they also have a high 'this is why you lost' factor when you get lightning striked

I keep complaining to lamp about them, I think they are the biggest mistake in the format

yeah ordeals are some of the most swingy high risk/high reward cards we've gotten in a while

also i am reasonably certain now that nimbus naiad is the best common, stats be damned

I wouldn't take it over voyage's end or lightning strike but yeah...it's really good...

I'd take it over Voyage's End at least!

Sea God - yes it definitely seems a little overrated. My first thought was that it was almost an Uncommon Cyclonic Rift but THS is faster than RTR and doesn't have a token strategy, plus the sorcery speed really does hamper it. As good as it can be I think it fits into that category of "expensive + situational" which does not make for great limited cards.

I seem to get murdered by the Ordeals over and over - turn 2 play on a Hoplite is nearly unbeatable unless you have the Voyage's End right then and there. I'm surprised that anyone would diss the Hoplite, it's a 1-drop that's revelant late game and is really hard to block.

ehh come draft w/ me and give me all the voyage's ends and sea god's revenges

yeah stupid ordeal wins are (among) the reasons why lightning strike and end are even better than normal

I'm fully aware of the strength of Voyage's End, just that my evaluation of the 3 strongest commons are Lightning Strike/Nimbus Naiad/Voyage's End. The Naiad just does so much in this set, I think just in general I tend to value proactive cards over reactive ones. Maybe to a fault.

the numbers actually push god's willing ahead of all of those

i don't like the rescaling by CMC for cards with 1-4 CMC since its rare to be able to win a game where you don't hit 4 regardless of how many cheap spells you have

i think gods willing is the 2nd best white common but there's no way it's better than wingsteed rider.

i think satyr hedonist is the burning-tree emissary of this set. way stronger card than it looks on the surface, lots of big red mana costs that are devastating when used a couple turns earlier than you're supposed to

― ciderpress, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:40 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i agree, the reweighting by cmc is superflawed. also agree that rider is better than gods willing. i also take eidolon over willing. in the comments to that article someone suggests a better way of weighting the win % and he and his friend rejig their formula a bit. i think those results are probably better although its still annoying to be basically guessing at these likelihoods.

haha fwiw i have used hedonist that way exactly once

my friend tried to convince me it was great and so I tried it exactly once and ramped into a 5 and got voyage's ended immediately and now I will never do it again

well i was talking about constructed there

but i completely missed on nykthos doing the same thing without having to play or throw away a 2/1

in limited its basically there to threaten monstrous early so you can attack your ill-tempered cyclops into a 4/4 on turn 5 or whatever. pretty circumstantial for it to matter

what is this...constructed...you speak of

constructed is an awful timesink, please continue to ignore it. don't end up like me, devoting actual brainpower towards single-set block constructed and the like

I'm slowly trading towards a modern deck