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exactly.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 September 2005 10:34 (eighteen years ago) link

what is up with all youse guys and your HOLIDAYS. bastards. instead, i work three weeks straight without a single day off :( which, incidentally, means no russian for me either that weekend. but i really want to go! and i worry that trying it in our numbers on a weekend is a bad idea as it seems TINY and we are LARGE.
noize boyz are from RHODE ISLAND! yeeeeeah!
madchen.... lords of dogtown??? er... WHY?
grimly.... 'tache update required! what was that site again?
i feel so goddamn out of the loop these days :( bah...

dahlin (dahlin), Saturday, 24 September 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Dahlin: for the cute long-haired louts. Also, I was under the impression that the Metro is only published five days a week ...

Mädchen (Madchen), Saturday, 24 September 2005 12:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Madchen, have you seen Dogtown & Z-Boys? If not, I will loan you it.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 24 September 2005 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes please, I would like to see it.

Mädchen (Madchen), Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

No weekend off for me, so Russian is out for me that day too. I cannae go the following Saturday either, as I'm going to the Scotland vs Belarus match that afternoon and expect to be unable to display adequate table manners in the evening.

Dot to Dot might be a goer tonight though.

scotstvo (scotstvo), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I think they're on in an hour

I better think about leaving

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

The Reynolds fallacy? Ho ho, but that's not much of a counter argument.
I know Reynolds is anathema to noise fans cos he likes girly things like danceable rhythms but his argument is all the more relevent now. Rather than enjoy noise for its own sake, its rhetoricians have to peddle the same old line about how it challenges everything and totally freaks out the squares man. But today's noise artists are shocking no-one, they're preaching to the converted. That sort of thinking only flatters the artists and listeners and reinforces elitism.

Stew (stew s), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

sounds about right

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

no it doesn't.

I know Reynolds is anathema to noise fans cos he likes girly things like danceable rhythms but his argument is all the more relevent now. Rather than enjoy noise for its own sake, its rhetoricians have to peddle the same old line about how it challenges everything and totally freaks out the squares man.

i don't hear any of these arguments from anyone. the people i know who like experimental music like it for its own sake, not because they think it's freaking out squares or anyone else apart from maybe the people who listen to the music (and often want to be freaked out by it). i feel like i am bombarded by noise music day after day and it often does my fuckin head in, it's just that that brand of noise is made by pussycat dolls or rachel stevens or franz ferdinand and is almost unavoidable. it's not all total shite but it often depressesor annoys me after the 20th listen. People who make experimental music are not under any illusions that it's permeating the mainstream or "freaking out" the general public. they are well aware of it's limited audience but thank god it's an audience that is fairly well catered for in Scotland. a great deal of the music is so quiet people would have a hard time hearing it even it it was playing.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

the last 5 things played on my itunes are

Oxtongue - Delight
Damien Marley - Welcome to Jamrock
Terry riley - Persian surgery dervishes
Coil - sex with sun ra
& Roisin Murphy - If We're in love

none of it extremely noisy but if people can find pockets to hear the music they want to (even if it's their own living room) then thats a good thing, after all. i'm not saying that anyone on this thread is saying otherwise (even cathy ;-) )


jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough, I'm not saying the average experimental music fan thinks like that, but you do occasionally see such arguments in the Wire.
I love freaky music and am not arguing against its potency. It's just that I'd rather freak out to Sun Ra than Whitehouse.
Oh, and Rachel Stevens>>>>Wolf Eyes ;)

Stew (stew s), Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i agree and wolf eyes (thankfully) easier to avoid!

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I missed most of Dot to Dot due to being inadvertantly waylaid drinking Cosmopolitans in a gay bar.

Stet, were you there? As I was leaving, I saw someone who looked like you sitting at the bar but I couldn't be arsed going over to find out if it was or not. If it wasn't you, you have a doppelganger of sorts (I only had one contact lens in, so I may be very wrong).

Anyway, RJG, Alba, Dahlin, Stew were all present and correct, making it a mini-FAP in separate parts, I suppose.

But... Scotland v Belarus! I'd forgotten about that.

What about the Friday of that week?

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 24 September 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Fine by me, I think.

scotstvo (scotstvo), Saturday, 24 September 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

sounds about right

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 24 September 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I forgot to mention that the Stet-a-like was sitting down, so not immediately obviously a big tall lanky chap, hence confusion.

Z-list celeb count = Stephen Pastel, Gerry Love, Duglas T Stewart. There must have been more, but I was only there for about half an hour, minus one contact lens.

I keep getting Dot 2 Dot songs stuck in my head. This must be some sort of good. But not for me, haha (this morning it is "Dusty Cover").

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 25 September 2005 06:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i hardly count as being there, as i arrived late, and cranky, fled for food, and did not return. ah well.
now friday i could probably do!
and yes, the metro is only published five days a week, but i've taken on sports shifts at another paper too! crazy i know, but £142 for five hours (half-assed) work is nothing to be sniffed at. er... that's the wrong phrase innit? hmmmm....
anyway... back to work...

dahlin (dahlin), Sunday, 25 September 2005 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, so Friday 7th October would appear to be some sort of concession. Can we get some idea of numbers so we can work out if Cossachok is a goer, or whether we have to choose somewhere else that can accommodate us?

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 25 September 2005 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Ooo, I wonder who my doppelganger is then. Sorry, it wasn't me, I was filling my face with nachos. Mmmm. More apols: Can't do the 7th either -- am working, curses.

Dahlin: Wot paper is this that you're volunteering to be sporty for??

stet (stet), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I am free on 7th Oct and would like a piece of Russian.

Mädchen (Madchen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Me too, I think. But this place is very small.

Ally C (Ally C), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

This is why I wanted to know about numbers. So we could decide on a venue. We could go somewhere else (suggestions?) if we have a larger number, and go to Cossachok some other time.

We talked about this before and decided it would be nice to make it a semi-regular occurrence, rather than just drinking --> falling over in a ruined heap. So perhaps little Russian place some other time, if there are too many people this time.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got a wedding on the 7th. I'll drink some Russian vodka.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Sunday, 25 September 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to come along, but I said I'd meet up with Cla1re T1mmins at Modern Lovers here that night.

Ooh those Russians!

KeefW (kmw), Sunday, 25 September 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

oh i know cla1re t1mm1ns!

a wee bit.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 25 September 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Everyone I meet knows Claire.

Ally C (Ally C), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know claire

dahlin (dahlin), Monday, 26 September 2005 08:36 (eighteen years ago) link

You should. She's very nice. Keef, tell her I said hi.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 26 September 2005 09:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Tell her from me too! (I know her)

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 26 September 2005 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link

it would be nice to make it a semi-regular occurrence, rather than just drinking --> falling over in a ruined heap

Better to eat some Russian first, and then do that? Cossachok is rather small, but I don't know that it's ever particularly busy either. If the average FAP attendance is, say, 10 then perhaps a table should be booked for slightly over that number? And the reservation made under the name 'Ilks' to hide any possible embarassment. Ho!

scotstvo (scotstvo), Monday, 26 September 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh. count me in - provisionally - for anything that might be happening on the 7th. (i'm pissing off on holiday tomorrow and i'm not back till the 5th.)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm in

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 07:14 (eighteen years ago) link

me too
ps: i do believe today is another interesting metro day

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 08:31 (eighteen years ago) link

More Madchen?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 08:32 (eighteen years ago) link

nah, something about some tit with a moustache.

and an exciting page-three lead by some work-experiencer :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I have just been looking at the tit.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 08:43 (eighteen years ago) link

boys like the tits

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 09:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I await my suggestions.

Great golf article! (There really is NO NEWS, is there?).

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 11:57 (eighteen years ago) link

good news

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone got a scanner?

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I do, but I don't have a copy of the Metro.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

oh

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

you

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Eh!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Right, food roll-call so far.

Me
Madchen
Ally C
RJG
Cozen
Dahlin
Stew (can't see a yes or no, but it was his idea)
Scotstvo
Grimly

Will other non-ILX types (e.g. Mr Dahlin) be joining us, or can I just leave Neil at home and we'll just go ourselves?

http://www.cossachok.com/

Mmmmmmmm...........

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I never agreed to anything, ever

some things happened, though

what is happening, now?

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

What about the Friday of that week?

-- ailsa (ailsa_watson7...), September 24th, 2005 10:58 PM. (ailsa) (later)

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sounds about right
-- RJG (RJ...), September 24th, 2005 11:32 PM. (RJG) (later)

That sounded like agreeing to me (though, possibly not). Cossachok, round the corner from the 13th Note, next Friday, to eat Russian food and drink vodka.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I was talking about something else

next friday? not this friday?

I don't know what I am doing

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link


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