photo-breezing

you are allowed to crop, but it must be done on the negative, with scissors.
accept this ruling.

that's perfect

mentally consulting robert frank's career to create parameters for everyday life

alternately, now that you know about your lens deficiency, next time you use it you must tape a piece of cardboard to the offending side.

i feel like when i look at my photos i'm already disappointed by how much i missed getting in to the frame in the first place

i want to put the whole world in to every shot more or less

mentally consulting robert frank's career to create parameters for everyday life

― love mike love (ko komo) (schlump), Thursday, November 21, 2013 5:14 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

This is how I live tbh

If it helps you to be a uncropper while following robert frank

Remember that frank did not think the negative was sacrosanct

As evidenced by his later work in nova scotia

What you need to do I think is to take a roll that you have developed

And eat it

Or burn it

Then and maybe then can you start to crop

Tbh I remember reading that robert frank had arranged with Steidl

To publish a new edition of the americans

With all new crops

Probably the most disappointed I have ever felt with Frank

Not because of the cropping but because I did not think the new crops could bring anything to the images that we did not already know

I don't think I necessarily pre-visualise in 3:2. Sometimes I know I only want a sliver of what I can capture from where I am.

i want to put the whole world in to every shot more or less

i think more & more that the less you are taking a photograph of - "of" - the better. i just was at the library looking at eggleston & koenig's (lovely) double exposure, i have maybe a new favourite eggleston (no i don't), this 2004 shot of half a phonebox and just some yellow canvasing in madrid. like obviously with W E the deal about ~life continuing beyond the frame~ is popular wisdom but also he just so delicately unites everything that's happening, pinpoints the essence & needs little more.

i have replaced my lens fwiw. i have a 35mm now. i miss the kind of innate hyper closeness of my 50mm, like it has come to just represent the act of literally focusing on a thing to me. but i am figuring it out.

i think frank has fucked with the crops used in editions of the americans at least twice?? usually erring toward revealing the full frame iirc. there's a section in the THE AMERICANS: THE ~~RE-MIX~~ deluxe book about it

i think more & more that the less you are taking a photograph of - "of" - the better

don't tell that to friedlander

i think wrt anti-zoom sentiment i feel there is definitely some kind of poetic (don't say truth don't say truth) righteousness to just dealing with what you confront through your camera. to crop for the juice seems to deny some basic idea of what photography is, to strive for some other kind of image making practice.

i feel like friedlander is with me on that! from his pics at least. like peak friedlander is, at least in the context of his time, not taking pictures "of" anything significant ..? excluding madonna nudes obviously

Right, that's it. I'm not cropping for a month.

I took less and less to mean fitting content in. feel like friedlander stuffs content anything, regardless of significance

Though my eldest might be happier if I just put away the camera altogether ("Stop taking pictures, Daddy!")... uncropped, 50mm prime, btw...

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2880/10800776133_e90bcf37af_c.jpg

I mean like

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/photobooth/100906_friedlander-3_p465.jpg

The A-frame is the crop

So is the sideview mirror

I took less and less to mean fitting content in. feel like friedlander stuffs content anything, regardless of significance

― chinavision!, Thursday, November 21, 2013 6:35 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i guess i am leaving this open & hoping to just trade of its (robert) bressonian poetic ambiguity but yeah i think i mean in terms of significance or identification. like there is a sort of higher ground of aphasic ignorance toward subject or content that pays off, the point at which you're totally just recording constellations of space like leiter did. i maybe don't know friedlander well enough to parse him in this argument but he has the kind of rephrasing democratic thing down enough to me that it fits with what i feel, like he is uniting what's there rather than trying to just capture an object.

not holding up friedlander as a non-cropper, just sayin, he puts a lot of stuff in his pictures

I crop film scans slightly to get them back into 3:2.

I crop digital a lot less than I used to. I've started finding images look a little odd to me if I crop them, but i'm sure if i stepped away from the computer and went back the next day i wouldn't notice.

I certainly don't hve any purist stance against it. I make plenty of other adjustments to my photos.

michael btw i am using your cropping pass for the next month just to try it on for size, let's trade back in dec.

I can't believe how expensive a roll of provia is now

How much??

close to $20 in some places!

then factor in e6 processing charges you can spend around $1 per frame

Damn

I bet you can find some cheap-ish places in Chicago to process? Or are you still doing mail order

actually i still prefer cross-processing

until recently i had to go to labs that would do it but still charge the slide film rate

but i found a walgreens near me that as long as i'm dropping off a bunch of c-41 at the same time, i've been able to sneak a roll or two of slide in w/o getting caught

i need to get a good scanner and start developing all my B&W at home

for some reason drug stores here charge ~$10 for a develop & scan to cd, compared to ~$5 in hawaii

and costco stopped fucking w/ film entirely around the time i moved

Time for home scanning indeed. You get a little more control then too.

Spending some $$ on a scanner now can save you $$$$ over hundreds of rolls

yeah but time spent at home scanning is time i could be out shooting

jk (kind of)

Nah that's true. You just gotta find a way to integrate ILX time and scanning

maybe I should quit my job and become a photographer

the time i shot positive film & developed it recently made me so sad, like i almost felt better equipped to bemoan the inimitable heights reached by all the guys who took photos in the fifties, cause i could be like you got to shoot slide film ~all the time~. it was the same kinda prices gr8080 talked about, just to get negatives processed. nathaniel dorsky talks about working with different stocks after kodachrome's discontinuation & says it's like working with a less precious metal, & very occasionally accessing slide reminds me how lovely film can be, how much emulsion can be this vivid conditioner of the material you work with as opposed to just slight variations on realism.

just to add to the chorus you should totally get (or: find!, in case you're even vaguely affiliated with any sort of institution that might have one you could use, library/school/department at work/club/&c) a scanner. i miss prints but yeah the control is nice, & it paid for itself super quickly. also i think i love scanning, the true name of this board, became kind of a jokey self-deprecating thing after awhile but scanning is seriously how i unwind, like i am at home for three or four hours a day right now & the thing i want to do is just scan while watching a shitty movie. it isn't effort, i don't think.

Yeah becoming a photographer full time would be pretty ace. I follow Brian Finke on tumblr (http://brianfinke.tumblr.com/) and he seems to live a very good life. Ignore the pictures of meat and every 10 days he has his checkered Vans in another airport security bin and he's going somewhere else.

But it's not like there are 10,000 Brian Finke positions out there to get.

promised i would pressure-bump this thread to hassle nyc folks next time this was happening; one of my fav films, by Understander Of Celluloid Nathaniel Dorsky, playing at Light Works next wk: http://www.lightindustry.org/calendar

For sure

damn i'll miss that by 2 days

i can't remember who fuks w/ nikons, but i'm curious what ILP thinks about the new Df; the rest of the photosphere certainly has ~opinions~

i love the idea and obv it looks beautiful but the decision to not support video is hilarious trolling and def a dealbreaker for someone looking to get my first dslr

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/12/random-excellence-paul-swee.html

This is me ;_;

i can't remember who fuks w/ nikons, but i'm curious what ILP thinks about the new Df; the rest of the photosphere certainly has ~opinions~

― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:26 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

Not a nikon or DSLR guy at all but I wasn't too excited by it. I feel like other companies get retro 'better,' like the Fuji digital rangefinders, and the Olympus OM-D

But yeah if you're gonna pay mucho money for a full frame DSLR you'd better make sure you're getting video

I use Nikon, I was pretty excited by the concept of the Df, when I first bought a DSLR I really wanted a retro-style one, but TBH it's a bit expensive and I'm not convinced it'd be that different to the D600 I've only just got, other than having the D4 sensor and no video. And yeah, Fuji and Olympus do retro 'better'.

for someone looking to get my first dslr

Really? I can't wait to see what you do with digital.

Does the Df have a live view mode at all? If it does I imagine someone could hack it to access video.

I'm taking the 6D out every day. A joy to use. But video is something I've barely touched - I need to teach myself Premiere Elements that was bundled with the camera. I'm just taking little standard-def clips of the kids, music, etc. If I'm going to use 1080/24p I better have something to say...

I've barely used video on either of the DSLR's I've owned that had it. It's great that it's there, but I struggle to think of anything to film.

Does the Df have a live view mode at all? If it does I imagine someone could hack it to access video.

no mic/mic input though