The hipster ethos, as promulgated in Vice Magazine, is indistinguishable from Ayn Rand's Objectivism

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I didn't like the Libertines article. Way too rockist. But at least they got an A+R man to write it. That was quite a funny move. It certainly added a laugh track to my reading of the piece.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

it wd be like looking at the sea

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

the interactive cyber-equiv of a turner

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

vice is old!

it is embarrassing to be seen reading vice because of that!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago) link

Well, if all you 'So 2001' and 'So 2003' people are buying Mojo I'll be very disappointed. In fact, if you're buying any magazines founded in any year ever, I'll think you're a wee bit hypocritical.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

there is a cool magazine. i mean, a feature on 'senior brothels!!'. it is mondo. vice is miami as in coke.

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

Momus don't be so defensive for heaven's sake! It's just that your defense of Vice appears to be: "It's new, it's daring, it's doing things that others aren't." Doomie's point is just that Vice isn't really doing anything new, which seems fair. On the other hand, "old" isn't an insult - Seneca is plenty old, but can't be bettered for blood 'n' gore. But as Vice seems to wish to position itself on the bleeding edge, Doomie's complaint is valid: there's nothing really new or outre about Vice.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

I have never read vice magazine, in fact, up here in teh n0rth3rn w4st3, I have never even seen a copy! The amount of heat these discussions generate just seems kind of weird.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

heat > vice

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

for something so passe...!

heat is cooler than vice!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

as for me, ixnay on the ohjo-May: the only magazine I read regularly is the Momus-Arguers' Gazette, which is so next-paradigm that it's printed on edible panties

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think it's that new. I do think it has set the tone of the early naughties, though. And that's why you're calling it cliched. There is a danger that it becomes a parody of itself now because the style is so recognisable. They're keeping this at bay by opening in new territories. I can't say where right now, but there's an important new Vice edition due next month. What will be interesting is to see how their patented style goes down in some very different cultures.

BTW, they haven't sent me any coke yet.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

heat is hotter than cool!!

vice is more vicious than morality!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

x-post

But it reads like the National Lampoon ca. 1979!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

you gotta get on 'em about that coke btw or they're just gonna give it all to the doorman

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

(which is lampoon way past peak btw)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

"different cultures" o no, not a tyneside edition of vice! we are not ready!!

(x-post, really people, "heat" is teh sukc)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

you sound like the marketing department! my case, rests. vice is old-hat. to be consumed by wannabe-hipsters whilst others move on to more exciting territories.

i mean, john is right -- national lampoon and mad were 'cutting edge' and they faded. vice has faded! i would rather read my national enquirer photo coffeebook than be seen with vice!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

next year: in hennys - vice clothing as approved by vice!!! vice suxxx.

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

sux is the new rox!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

I am not as harsh on 'em as doomie, I just wish they didn't think they were breaking new ground every time they make a Real Big Point of being white kids using the word "nigger"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

mark it is SO GREAT to have you back

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

*checks if ilx standard is going up or down*

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

radio times is radder than tv quick?

― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

doomie: ooo - mark s where did you get that shirt?
mark s: from the henny vice counter.
doomie: ooo - so outre!

john, i'm not being harsh. its just facts!!!!!

vice suxxx.

maybe in ten years time there will be an ironic revival?

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

the only way is up mark

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

It is going up indeed. Rah for the Mark S!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

ILX with Mark S is sooooooo 2001! But 2001 is hip again!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

yes, mark s is the new vice!!!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

hahahaha

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

'honey, i got this magazine called vice. its kerrazy. they are a bunch of sweary marys but its fun!'
'ooo. let me see!'

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

magazines are all shit. let's burn them all.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

(except for ,i>craft)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

(except for craft)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

b-b-but porn?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

don't but it...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

don't BUY it, i meant

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

read me: i am old coke

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

b-b-butt porn?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

don't try it, either

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

vice is new coke.

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

The Vice editor and publisher were all over our early Vice threads, you know. I really thought they were going to give me editorship of Vice India or let me invade Abyssinia for the way I was defending the mag. In fact they just sent me a free Vice book and asked me to write an article about teddy bears.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Momus I totally respect that you're reppin' for your hood. And of course as an entry-level classicist I have no problem at all with the rehashing of old tropes. But to hear you say that Vice "set the tone" makes me want to say "oh come now" all waggly-finger-like. Vice takes its tone from a lot of American television, esp. cable stuff (Talk Soup, the Daily Show), zips it up with a little profanity & race-baiting/racial commentary (depending on how you look at it), and cribs a few notes from the late Doug Kenny. No shame in most of that! I laughed a couple of times at the last issue I bought! But I don't see them doing much that Jim Goad didn't already do about five times louder in Answer Me! (which I, po-faced puritan that I am, naturally hated).

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Is the stuff at the link posted above representative of the general content of the magazine?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i didn't care for jim goad either

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

If you bought Vice, J0hn, you have been ripped off. It's a free magazine.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

if it's got ads in it, it ain't free ma-an

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

vice is boring. i'm out of here!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

mis-typed, didn't mean "bought" but "saw"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

as I neither bought nor picked up an issue but only read copies that were in people's houses or recording studios

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

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I really don't think history is going to look kindly on Vice and its whole aesthetic. Things are already shifting, and very soon Vice and its ilk will seem like a very embarassing relic. Even moreso than right now.

It is awfully sweet that Momus will spend so much time defending his pals. I'd advise him to jump off that sinking ship, though.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 30 April 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

ten years pass...

fuck yeah. fuck the poor

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/ayn-rand-ideal-published-july-27364158

atlas is shrugging again, baby!

― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 December 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

This exists.
Love the humanization of assholes like this by mainstream media and it's fun to imagine how this sort of blatant stupidity would've landed throughout history: "Nazi Leader: How He Went From Bold Hipster Mustache Choices to Genocide" ⁦@adamjohnsonNYC⁩ pic.twitter.com/rqge9f84xr
— Kyle Inabinette (@KyleInabinette) October 17, 2018

notice how NYT presents "Brooklyn hipster" as something inherently contradictory to racist and rightwing. Did any of these people actually read early VICE? https://t.co/CRuizqZ4Vp
— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 17, 2018

― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link

a true shock pic.twitter.com/q5Zyy3cCIF
— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 17, 2018

― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link

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