Even Though Katatonia Are One Of My Very Favorite Rock & Roll Bands I Do Have A Complaint

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so there are b-sides and stuff on the reissue? is it re-mastered? i never got around to buying the other remastered discs. i still mean to.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

it's on century media?

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 02:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Only the two bonus tracks, "Scarlet Heavens" and "Quiet World." Says it was remastered just this past December.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

It's on Peaceville in the UK at least (they sent me the copy). Not sure about over here.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i was thisclose to doing discouraged ones for phil's book.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link

:-) Now that's praise, especially considering what you did choose (which I also adore).

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link

peaceville has never ever sent me anything ever. and i have begged before. i never beg. i gave up a long time ago.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 03:03 (seventeen years ago) link

They're nuts! They should have you on their automatic send out list.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 03:07 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.peaceville.com/index.php?cid=3&did=120&flt=K

Faisal Shennib, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 05:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway I'm listening to it now. And it's good!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 05:31 (seventeen years ago) link

'down the water i saw you drown'

it's quite bleak

i still can't believe how good the last katatonia record was. the 'my twin' ep/single/whatever it was was wicked as well

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Therefore, this song ['Scarlet Heavens'] was our one and only unique attempt of dressing Katatonia in a frilly white shirt stained with red wine.

Well, that and "Day", back in nine-six.

I don't really like the idea of the remasters with all the bonus tracks - doesn't that make those albums way overlong? Those EP-tracks got axed off the original album for a reason...

Regarding The Great Cold Distance, I liked that a lot at first, but on repeated listens it doesn't hold up. Can't quite put my finger on it, because the songwriting is great, the hooks are fantastic and I like the sound. Maybe it's the slight nu-metal/Tool-ness hanging over the whole thing. Still, it's better than the three albums before it. Modest suggestion for the band though: next time, just axe three of those interchangable rock tunes and do one of those 14-minute, two-riff drone tracks again. Not asking for much, just one. Know you still have it in you. Thx bye.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

siegbran, i think the songwriting on 'the great cold distance' is especially great because it doesn't rely on conventional song structures which plagued 'viva emptiness' in particular. the songs show innovation and attention to detail, as well as range and diversity. it's a heavier record than the two that came before it, and it's also a lot tighter and more concise.

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually don't see that much "range and diversity" - they've been doing the same thing since "Discouraged Ones". They've become pretty good at it though. They're the modern equivalent of AC/DC and Motorhead - perfecting the same song further and further, and writing lots of great singles (Tonight's Music, My Twin, Teargas, Deliberation, Saw You Drown) in the process.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

"and do one of those 14-minute, two-riff drone tracks again."

this is pretty much why i liked that last agalloch album so much. katatonia guitar sounds + long-ass songs. liked it better than the last katatonia album too. which made me a little sad. but what are ya gonna do. i still got love for them. i guess i really am in the minority when it comes to viva emptiness. i dug it so much more than the new one.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean, the new one is fine. i just liked the songs better on viva emptiness. i don't know if they will ever make an album that i love as much as dicouraged ones or tonights decision again (let alone brave murder day), but i'm with siegbran about one thing at least. they definitely have the smarts and talent to pull off something big again. i would never count them out.

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link

(i'd settle for a couple more october tide records.)

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
the song 'displaced' from the my twin ep. has really been kicking my ass lately. i always air guitar to it for some reason.

and in terms of the great cold distance, i've been really enjoying some of the tracks i overlooked slightly on first listen. 'journey through pressure' for instance is quite an understated closer, but it gets under your skin

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Just finished translating a interview with Renske I helped doing last month.

He mentions Tool as an influence but reckons Katatonia are still a metal band, none of the "we have grown out of metal" discourse you see in current Anathema interviews. A very nice and down to earth guy. Topics discussed include the left-hand-path cross photos, forthcoming DVD and 5.1 album, and which was the German band Swanö wanted them to sound like according to Nystrom's liner notes in the Brave Murder Day reissue.

The show was cool as well, Renske pulled off some mighty death growls for the "Murder" encore.

no-nonsense, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link

which was the German band Swanö wanted them to sound like

It wasn't Bethlehem, was it?

Siegbran, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 11:29 (sixteen years ago) link

The liner notes state Swanö wanted them to play goth-metal a la certain German band the mention of which would cause the booklet to melt in your hands with the hot cheese. It was not Bethlehem.

no-nonsense, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link

On a somewhat related note, I'm nervous about the new Bloodbath album/mini-CD/whatever.

chris.steffen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link

when I was in Sweden last month I listened to Brave Yester Days on headphones for, like, two days (I was riding in a car), and fuck that thing is pretty goddamn unstoppable. I'd listened to it before but never gave it the close attention it deserves.

J0hn D., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Dear Scott,

I have Discouraged Ones,and like it. Which one should I get next? I understand Brave Murder Day is supposed to be their other classic, so I was thinking that one. Please let me know kay thanks bye!

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:05 (sixteen years ago) link

i like "the black sessions" a whole lot. comes with a dvd from a live performance in krakow from 2003 too. i guess the only disadvantage for you jeff is 5 of the songs on the two cds are from "discouraged ones".

drone/a/sore, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"Tour lineup" include :: KATATONIA, Scar Symmetry, Insomnium and Swallow the Sun.
Sept. 4 Jaxx West Springfield, VA United States Tour lineup
Sept. 6 BB Kings New York, NY United States Tour lineup
Sept. 7 Mark's Place Bedford, NH United States Tour lineup
Sept. 8 Chance Theater Poughkeepsie, NY United States Tour lineup
Sept. 9 Le Medley Montreal, QC Canada Tour lineup
Sept. 10 Imperial de Quebec Quebec City, QC Canada Tour lineup
Sept. 11 The Funhaus Toronto, ON Canada Tour lineup
Sept. 12 Peabody's Cleveland, OH United States Tour lineup
Sept. 13 I-Rock Detriot, MI United States Tour lineup
Sept. 14 The Pearl Room Mokena, IL United States Tour lineup
Sept. 15 Station 4 St. Paul, MN United States Tour lineup
Sept. 17 Bluebird Theater Denver, CO United States Tour lineup
Sept. 19 Whiskey Hollywood, CA United States Tour lineup
Sept. 20 Showcase Theater Corona, CA United States Tour lineup
Sept. 21 Brickhouse Phoenix, AZ United States Tour lineup
Sept. 22 Launchpad Albuqeruque, NM United States Tour lineup
Sept. 24 White Rabbit San Antonio, TX United States Tour lineup
Sept. 25 Ridglea Theater Ft. Worth, TX United States Tour lineup
Sept. 26 Scout Bar Houston, TX United States Tour lineup

drone/a/sore, Monday, 28 May 2007 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Nice, there's a good chance I'll be in Houston around that time for business. What are they like live nowadays? I've never seen a 'proper' Katatonia concert, the only time was an all-instrumental gig (due to voice problems, end of tour and all that) circa "For Funerals To Come", which is obv a while ago. Do they still have the old classics (Without God, Brave, etc) in their set?

Siegbran, Monday, 28 May 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Nice, there's a good chance I'll be in Houston around that time for business.

Hm! Anywhere else in the States you'll be?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 May 2007 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link

siegbran in the states??? LOCK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS, AMERICA!

scott seward, Monday, 28 May 2007 16:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Of the old stuff, expect "Murder" at best. This is what they played in Madrid last month:

. Leaders
. Wealth
. Soil’s Song
. Deadhouse
. Teargas
. Ghost Of The Sun
. Criminals
. July
. Future Of Speech
. Tonight’s Music
. For My Demons
. Sleeper
. My Twin
. Evidence

Encore: Murder

no-nonsense, Monday, 28 May 2007 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw Katatonia when they came through with Moonspell and Daylight Dies a few months back. Really good set. Unfortunately, I had never heard any Katatonia before then, so I couldn't tell you what they played (of course, since then I've picked up Discouraged Ones and Brave Murder Day, so I've become a bit more familiar).

Jeff Treppel, Monday, 28 May 2007 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Looks like a nice setlist. Not too many "tortured artist" theatrics and posing?

Anywhere else in the States you'll be?

Probably only Houston for two or three days, hit & run. Would be nice to have a good night out there, usually there's little to do on trips like that other than drink yourself senseless in some fucked up hotel bar.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Katatonia played it pretty straight when I saw them, didn't move much at all. Moonspell were the ones that really hammed it up.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Looks like a nice setlist. Not too many "tortured artist" theatrics and posing?
Actually not, it surprised me that Nystrom has a total 80's metal image, if you saw him with the audio muted it would look like he is in Helloween or something. Ranske just stands, hair covering his face, and follows the beat slapping his thigh. Not a spectacular show but they sound great.

no-nonsense, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 21:59 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

So I picked up Tonight's Decision the other night based on a) the Cure comparisons, b) listening to a lot of black metal lately, and c) Scott's unabashed raves on many threads. And, well, I'm sorry but with each listen I enjoy this album less and less. Doesn't sound like a far cry from Papa Roach, to my ears.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 21 May 2009 04:47 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry! all i hear is truth beauty and awesomeness when i play it.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 May 2009 12:16 (fourteen years ago) link

tonight's decision isn't my favourite of theirs, but there's still a lot of sincerity and stripped back emotion to the songs that really carries them. the downcast frame of mind is laboured, but that's kind of the point with this band.

personal faves remain last fair deal gone down (which is incidentally the most cure-addled) and the great cold distance.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean, "black session", "for my demons", heck, i love the whole album. i even like the jeff buckley cover. (i've never actually heard a heff buckley album.)

scott seward, Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link

(i'd settle for a couple more october tide records.)

― scott seward, Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:09 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

alas, this hasn't happened, but they have reissued the first October Tide album. remastered apparently, but that stuff usually doesn't mean much to me. i love how it sounded originally.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.nightisthenewday.com/
new album coming out in october on peaceville records

drone/a/sore, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link

um, yeah, looking forward...

scott seward, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

was these guys last album any good? gonna go check 'em out tonight. playing three blocks from my house.

Stormy Davis, Saturday, 18 September 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link

the latest album isn't very good. stylistically it's similar to TGCD (which is incidentally a great record), but the songwriting is significantly weaker and i don't know, the formula just sounds stale on this one.

charlie h, Saturday, 18 September 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

decided to listen to tonight's decision... tonight

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Monday, 27 February 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

anyway what a great fucking record, just a breathtaking expansion on discouraged ones in every way

(even though i prefer discouraged ones because i think there's something in their transition from a more traditionally doomy band to whatever-they-became-later (gothy alt-metal? god, that's not it) that is pretty totally singular. like i can't think of a record or a scene that sounds quite like discouraged ones)

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Monday, 27 February 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

What are they like live these days? It looks like recent setlists don't go back further than the last few albums.

Brad C., Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

read a bunch of fans repping for dead end kings as potentially the best katatonia album which i thought was interesting bc the two listens i gave that record felt really dull

i revisited it yesterday and i think i can start to see what they're talking about? in that the hooks definitely aren't there in the same way as past katatonia records but that's not the *~point~* i guess. some of the compositions are really interesting

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 31 March 2016 14:05 (eight years ago) link

i found it very dull

akm, Thursday, 31 March 2016 14:27 (eight years ago) link

lol yeah i feel that obv. it's at least better than night is the new day, which makes me look forward to the new one

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 31 March 2016 14:38 (eight years ago) link

which

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIGBNc2nFZA

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 31 March 2016 14:38 (eight years ago) link

oh sweet i was worried i was the only person who really liked the new one!

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 12 August 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link

ten months pass...

Been listening to Dance Of December Souls, never heard the band before but I've probably been meaning to for a decade, really liking the style. I really wish the ending section of "Tomb of Insomnia" was longer, it's gorgeous.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 30 June 2017 13:42 (six years ago) link

eleven months pass...

For Funerals To Come EP (including bonus tracks) is a bit of a letdown. Some nice things happen on it but I never properly dug any of the tracks.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 June 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

Last Fair Deal also contains what is arguably the most reviled Katatonia songs by die-hard fans, "We Must Bury You".


Why is this the case? The drum programming?

brimstead, Friday, 21 April 2023 20:45 (one year ago) link


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