Kate Bush, "The Red Shoes" C/D?

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re "four-and-a-half octave range": i doubt it. probably three-and-a-quarter at the very most (on a good day).

faith popcorn (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 26 September 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Part of my problem w/ TRS and TSW may be the lushness of the productions -- I always liked her best when she was dinking around on the Fairlight dreaming up these shimmering phony orchestras. Here, I get lost w/ all the guitars and Bulgarian women's choruses and such.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i also disagree with tim's assessment: "heads we're dancing" through "never be mine" is a terrific block of songs, the latter especially being one of my favorite songs of hers period. "rocket's tail" is a bit of a stumbling block - the choral singing at the beginning is fantastic and then david gilmour comes in and ruins it all. "reaching out" is pretty weak, i'll grant, but overall, i don't sense a "dipping sharply".

joseph (joseph), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay "dipping sharply" is a bit strong. But I think "The Fog" is awesome, and then "Reaching Out" is such disappointingly over the top guff, and "Heads We're Dancing" just feels like a pointless song to write, like, why would you write that song??? "Deeper Understanding" is v. good, "Never Be Mine" is beautiful and really should be on my list of stand outs. I've never liked "Between A Man and a Woman" because I can't shake the perhaps unfair suspicion that it's tacitly condoning domestic violence.

But yeah, my point was more that if you just heard the first three songs you'd think you were in for an utterly amazing album and instead it's just very good. Coming after The Dreaming and The Hounds of Love it really does feel like a shift down a gear.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I should note that "Heads We're Dancing" being pointless doesn't prevent it from being quite good; I just wish Kate had channelled the nice parts into a different song.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 10:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I admit that the second side of The Sensual World does sag, lacking much of the corny, trashy scenarios we expect of Kate Bush.

Speaking of corny and trashy, "Heads We're Dancing" is a marvelous addition to her Corny and Trashy Canon; there aren't many songs about dancing with Hitler.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Revive in a post-Aerial era.

Tim may be right re. The Sensual World -- I'm still trying to get a grip on the whole thing, but the record opens very strong. On the whole, it still sounds a bit...overstuffed -- the video for "Love and Anger" indicated as much, featuring very LUSH optics, sparkly confetti and Dave Gilmour, who himself looks overstuffed. There's certainly some excellent music on here -- "Rocket's Tail", the She's Having a Baby OST, and the astonishing "The Fog", whose arrangement surely must be the late Michael Kamen's finest moment. And "Deeper Understanding"'s chorus is really compelling despite its dopey premise.

Somehow, it kind of feels like a loopy failure. But that's why we love her, I suppose.

More on The Red Shoes in a bit -- "Lily" I've always liked, though I feel much of the record deepens some of The Sensual World's worst transgressions.

Broadening things up a bit, how do we feel about her deployment of rock guitar on both these records and others?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i love the production on the sensual world! it's really one of the last examples of this sound, innit? i'm waiting for someone to revive it.

bob abernethy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Broadening things up a bit, how do we feel about her deployment of rock guitar on both these records and others?

Jeff Beck's solo on "And So is Love" and Clapton's on "You're the One" are fantastic; she tamed these two tasteful menaces. It makes me wonder: what would a Kate Bush-produced album Clapton album sound like?

NB: Bush's own solo on "Big Stripey Lie" suggests she should play more guitar.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm back to thinking The Sensual World is much better than The Red Shoes again.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

i thought i had commented on this thread?...

so at first i was like TSW, but now... i dunno.

The Red Shoes kicks ASS for these:

1. Moments of Pleasure
2. Constellation of the Heart
3. Why Should I love You?
4. Song of Solomon

2 and 3 are ridiculously amazing, and the "I'll be the rose of sharon for ya" in Song of Solomon makes me weak at the knees.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link

A little sumpin' sumpin'.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link

yay! thanks!

Surmounter, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Dud. I was so let down when this came out and no matter how hard I tried to like it, it just seemed forced and awkward with some of her worst lyrics. I liked "Rubberband Girl" and nothing else. Long since sold.

Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link

it took me a really long time too. but RG is not one of my fave traks. im telling u, Constellation and Why Should I love U are magic.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Wouldn't exactly call it classic although it has its moments. Still her weakest album though.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I remember this one mostly for the real tearjerker ones ("You're the One", "Moments Of Pleasure" [the 'dancing down the aisle of a plane' part gets me every time], "And So Is Love") despite the fact that much of the rest is great as well. Strange that though I like Aerial much more, only one song on all of Aerial does the same kind of thing to me.

But Alfred you had said in your review that with college radio in '93 it was an awkward time and I rather agree with that. I even think there is something undesirable about the production at times on this album (thankfully Aerial comes across much better, more straightforward in this regard). Your review had said "the last time deejays would tolerate the schizophrenic programming of yore" but it wasn't the DJ's who were to blame, it was program directors, major labels getting their sticky fingers into the mess, buyouts of stations by corporations. And hell, I've said before here music itself was in a state of flux. The rot was setting in.

Bimble, Friday, 21 September 2007 03:40 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

delving back into it!

Surmounter, Thursday, 8 May 2008 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link

i think it's the kind of thing: it may be bad, but it's bad for her, which is actually pretty great for someone else

Surmounter, Thursday, 8 May 2008 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Exactly. Her big personal meltdown record. I'm really sorry more folks can't see why it's so great.

Bimble, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

hey there bill

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 01:46 (fifteen years ago) link

ha

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 02:00 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Top Of The City is wonderful, but my brain wishes there was a version arranged in the style of Hounds Of Love era kate.

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Coming to this album for the first time after being a huge KB fan since I was 16. Not exactly a revelation on the level of finding another chapter of Ulysses, but more like hearing from an old friend you were really close to but hadn't heard from in a while. She could sing the alphabet in a certain tone of voice and I would listen.

Gonna give Aerial another listen as I kind of dismissed it when it came out as "boring".

I like tv random anything (corey), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link

"Big Stripey Lie"!

balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I never warmed to this album for the same reason I never warmed to Talking Heads Speaking in Tongues--the thin, clattery production.

Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 28 July 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link

tho i will rep for some of the tracks on this in a huge way, i will never understand what happened to the production here, or on a lot of the sensual world. coming off the heels of the albums previous, i just don't get it. it's like she understood this making aerial, and turned around and produced something in the warmest, least clattering way possible.

janice (surm), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link

"moments of pleasure" is beautiful

i haven't listened to this album in over a decade and don't recall anything else on it :/

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

not to overly toot my own horn but I'm covering this on OWOB this week.

katherine, Monday, 12 August 2013 19:17 (ten years ago) link

I can't wait! I adore this record.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 August 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link

What's this?

Ismael Klata, Monday, 12 August 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link

i've said this elsewhere but "top of the city" is probably my favorite kate bush song

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 12 August 2013 19:53 (ten years ago) link

and this record >>>>>> the sensual world

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 12 August 2013 19:53 (ten years ago) link

^^^ my boo

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 August 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link

It's as uneven but the ease with which I can jump around and find something for any mood ("Big Stripey Lie" for an old-school Bush fix, "Top of the City" for Side B-HOL intensnity, "Rubberband Girl" for heavenly pop hit) give TRS the nod imo.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 August 2013 19:56 (ten years ago) link

don't want your bullshit
just want your sexuality

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 12 August 2013 20:09 (ten years ago) link

"and this record >>>>>> the sensual world"

no way. but I do like this album more these days than I did when it came out (or any time since).

akm, Monday, 12 August 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link

omigod
it's a jungle out there

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 August 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link

this sense of humor of mine
it isn't funny at all

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link

"uneven" i suppose but i think i love every song on this record at this point

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link

LIKE A POMEGRANATE
INSIDES OUT

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link

currently assembling a queer identity theory of "eat the music"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link

"constellation of the heart" is i guess poppy and funky but then she has a weird conversation with the choir

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link

the Prince collab is one of the duds.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:26 (ten years ago) link

nah

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link

What one's the Prince collaboration? <3 Constellation so much.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link

"Why Should I Love You"

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

i like how ecstatic "why should i love you" is. fun to kinda flail around to

it doesn't live up to the idea of prince/kate but if you ignore that

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link

the Prince song "My Computer" (dedicated to Kate Bush) is sweeter

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link

absolutely love moments of pleasure

kolakube (Ross), Monday, 25 December 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link

I’ve often thought of doing a poll: This Woman’s Work vs Moments of Pleasure. I would be upset if Moments lost... so no go.

Woon... Doopee Time (FlopsyDuck), Monday, 25 December 2017 22:22 (six years ago) link

belated, thanks!

my favorite track from this at the moment's probably lily, which says a lot about 2017

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 28 December 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link

album has aged better than I expected; I loved it when it came out then went through a long period of thinking it was really duff. but really the only duff track on this is Constellation of the Heart I think, now.

akm, Thursday, 28 December 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link


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