Pitchfork's Chris Ott takes No Prisoners

Around 4.20 I was laughing so hard.

hey we've all been there

katherine sure takes writing about music SERIOUSLY doesn't she.

or sexism. why don't you tell us what you think we should take seriously?

yeah Haimgate was the first time i'd even heard of Collapse Board. the Ott post refers to discussion on the Collapse Board facebook group, which i guess means that Collapse Board is not a message board but some kind of poorly named publication, and there's actually a Collapse Board board?

i skimmed this thread my lord, do not chastise me, I skimmed it.

i don't know what DY is attempting to do with that initial post, but i did want to delurk to say i'm appreciating katherine's contributions itt

i do too.

katherine sure takes writing about music SERIOUSLY doesn't she.

better that than being so terrified of earnestness that you can only respond with a rote sneer

it's probably why katherine's one of the best music writers around right now, too. u should aspire to that

kinda laughable that this guy who submits his reviews to ilx threads for feedback is jeering at writers for taking writing seriously on other threads.

haha i thought the exact same thing

see ya.

Scott Creney has Ott's back on the Collapseboard thread. They should form the Justice League of Self-Aggrandising Belligerent Dudes.

Scott Creney is the worst.

Seems essential to me that if you're going to tell all the other, employable music writers that they're doing it wrong then your own writing should be dynamite. Otherwise, pthrrrrt.

yeah...the way Creosote keeps contrasting the problems of the current landscape with 'the way things used to be done and SHOULD be done' is a sly way of making his contributions to the business seem more significant than they actually were. it's right out of the Bob Lefsetz playbook.

I never found out what this amazing move taht was going to mean that readership of Pitchfork eclipsed taht of Spin & Rolling Stone combined was. Unless it was the move over to covering non-indie divas that I read about by coincidence in another thread. But I'm not sure what the timescale there was & it sounded like people who had been reading Pitchfork might actually drop it for doing so anyway.

What was this amazing coup and how well did it work. I'm not sure if Pitchfork is a household world r if it only appeals to music geeks anyway. also not getting what the story is with Ott and them was there a parting of the ways & who called it & for what reason?

Nice to see that the great self-described Legend has teamed up with Ott in an attempt to stand up for the right of whatever. Not been a big fan of Jerry, is that ever? Or was he the sole reason that Sub Pop types broke through, I mean no Everett no Nirvana or Hole omigod etc. That the guy went from peddling indie twee to the oh so rugged sound of Minneapolis always did stick in the craw rather didn't it?

Sorry should have maybe said that Everett True = The Legend = (non pseudonym )Jerry Thackeray (mere pseud?).
who single handedly invented Sarah Twee pop, grunge and all points thereafter didn't he?

feeling kind of wistful now that ATP is over, picturing the finale concert when ILX finally shuts down, naughty by nature getting the last song, a remake of OPP, ott nodding on stage between treach and vin rock, even the most flagrant otter-haters in the audience, like queen latifah in the original video, grinning sheepishly about being down with OTT when it gets down to it. chris ott hooray, ho, hey, ho!

guys i'm sorry i lost my critic trading cards--can someone tell me who the fuck everett true is?

I think he's a Legend that got fired from the NME back before it became quite as bad as it did later.

Think he helped push a wheelchair bound Kurt Cobain onstage at Reading or something too.

big shaker in late-80s Melody Maker, introduced Cobain to Courtney, was the dude Sub Pop paid for to fly over and do a feature on Seattle in MM, which arguably led to the ~alternative revolution~ of the early-mid '90s, later did Careless Talk Costs Lives, now lives in Brisbane and whinges on the internet

also had early singles on Creation

thanking u. at least he sounds like he once had a career worth being bitter about.

In the good ol' days what sources of revenue did music magazines like MM or NME or w/e have besides advertising and reader subscriptions

newstand?

the inkies shifted hundreds of thousands of copies a week in the 1970s

Incidentally I just discovered taht Everett True was actually initially a supposedly every-man comic character who debuted in the early 230th century and had been revived for a comics catalogue the year taht Jerry Thackray was fired from the NME and thought the Legend penname was too attached to taht publication.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=outbursts+of+everett+true&rlz=1C1DVCJ_enIE452IE454&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=AjifUqSeKOSw7AauloHwDQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=652#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=tk0WOa6-6yjk4M%3A%3Bt86NMCBkKZkyAM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%252F2595%252F4177895834_e3a128930f_o.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fovo127.com%252F2010%252F09%252F10%252Fa-d-condo-and-j-w-raper-the-outbursts-of-everett-true-38%252F%3B404%3B800
is several of the comic strips featuring him.

I can't be awake yetor I'd know that the town that everybody loves in the title of the oral history on grunge is Seattle not Minneapolis. Can't think why I'd confuse the two.

& also might be able to type 20th instead of 230th.

your posts appear to be the ravings of a lunatic whose band received a poor review from ET in the 1980s. if your intention is to make him look bad you're really not succeeding.

i'm appreciating katherine's contributions itt

― reddening, Wednesday, December 4, 2013 3:11 AM (3 hours ago)

me too, if nothing else

me too

also i don't remember but i probably made some great posts

i was happy to find out katherine was KATHERINE katherine

cant tell if collapse board is sadder than sportsjournalists.com or if theyre both equally sad

FWIW, Jerry/ET posted here back in the early days and the only reason I have a vague kind of writing profile in the UK music press is due to writing in Careless Talk Costs Lives and its successors, and now The Quietus. So I'll still thank him for that!

He was a good writer and a vibrant figure for a long time, and totally deserves respect for ploughing new furrows over and over.

man i feel bad that i don't know who katherine is

gave up and posted on that comments section so

I love katherine's posts but have never figured out if she is a) the first victim of the Maura's infamous Fancy A Bout Of Alcohol Poisoning karaoke night b) a friend of bell_labs I once had drinks with or c) somebody else entirely

whoa, irl just crept into my ilx

ilx is well known for irl creeps

as for taking this seriously feel free to replace all text with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHXgdtiFRNY

A nasty hangover today and I was thinking "I haven't felt this bad since

xp perfect

whoa xp

great responses katherine, both here and on collapseboard

yeah, great stuff katherine

amazing how infuriating this is, considering the stakes.

http://tinyurl.com/pztmnkb
is several pages with the Outbursts of Everett True comic strip that Jerry Thackray named himself after. Hadn't known the source of the name until earlier today when I posted this with a longer URL.
Apparently the character had been revived in a comic catalogue earlier in the year that the once Legend had been fired from the NME and thought the pen-name too associated with that publication.

Interesting strip, possibly a bit dated but it is from the early years of the 20th century. I think it debuted in 1905.

the Tony Isabella cover version was in CBG, not a "catalogue"

I can see you, you know.

What's up failed music critic

What'd you have for breakfast today

I was eating my own words. Again.