hall of fame, next vote...

gurnick's not a bad beat writer but I feel like he deserves all the shit flung his way on the internet today

he also claimed he wont vote for anyone going forward, period.

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Hope that guy burns in hell for his quirky hall of fame opinion

let's face it though, jack morris was a really good pitcher. like jamie moyer good.

when are the results announced? so I can read slightly less about this until the induction?

after the results are out, it will take approx .000005 of a second before the first article about the the 2015 ballot hits and we can all argue and lose our shit about that for a year. it is a never ending cycle baseball crankery.

Tomorrow is going to be an all-time great day for crankery with HOF and Pazz and Jop results announced within hours of each other.

oh holy shit - it's tomorrow?!

al leong, are you Larry?

you people are almost as bad as Oscar bloggers.

Lol

:)

you people are almost as bad as Oscar bloggers Pazz & Jop voters.

2pm eastern tomorrow

can anyone explain the process by which rob neyer and jim callis are not baseball writers with a vote? it can't still be the web thing -- all these mlb.com beat writers are only online

it's something like you have to be a BBWAA member for 10 years.

In order to be eligible for a Hall of Fame vote, a writer must be an active member of the BBWAA for 10 consecutive years. Once a writer receives a Hall of Fame vote, he is eligible to continue voting even when he is no longer an active member of the BBWAA, provided he becomes a lifetime honorary member.

Does that mean some Hall of Fame voters don't even cover baseball any more?

Yes. The BBWAA trusts that its voters take their responsibility seriously, and even those honorary members who are no longer covering baseball do their due diligence to produce a thoughtful ballot.

How do you become a member of the BBWAA?

The full membership requirements are in the BBWAA constitution. Essentially, you must be a beat writer, backup writer, columnist or sports editor from a newspaper or wire service that covers Major League Baseball on a regular basis. Membership has been expanded to include web sites on a case-by-case basis.

so have u guys followed the "known ballots"?

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsstand/discussion/the_2013_hof_ballot_collecting_gizmo/

so that's just over 1/3 of HOF ballots.

I'm surprised that Glavine is getting so much support. It's gotta be because people want to see him go in with Maddux. Sutton, Niekro and Perry all won 300 games and none of them were elected in their first year and they didn't get anything close to 90 percent support when they were elected.

i'm still iffy on Glavine belonging in the hall to begin with. i'd put Schilling in and possibly Moose ahead of him for sure either way.

glavine deserves it for sure, once he's considered in the context of his era. he was as good as he was in a pretty potent offensive era. he was admittedly not on the same tier as maddux, pedro, johnson, schilling, or clemens though.

good luck usa

maddux, glavine, and thomas

rip jack morris

biggio had 74.8% of the vote

!

fuckin ken gurnick

maddux had 97.2%, so there was more than one asshole

rip rafael palmeiro, he got 4.4%

someone voted for jacque jones

can someone link?

armando benitez too

i'm just watching on MLB.com here. piazza had a decent showing. schilling was at 29.2, mussina a bit over 20. sosa, walker, mcgwire, mcgriff, mattingly sticking around for awhile longer.

http://www.bbwaa.com, but it's overwhelmed right now

16 people did not vote for maddux

they should be named and shamed

if i created this custom leaderboard correctly, looks like Maddux started the most double plays ever as a pitcher, at 98

whaddaguy!

along with the 3 managers, that's gonna be a full podium! too many inductees!

this is interesting

And it’s not like he was Bob Tewksbury, just grooving the ball over the plate and hoping for soft contact. While Maddux was not Randy Johnson, his strikeout totals have often been undersold because strikeout rate has often been measured as total strikeouts per nine innings, rather than per batter faced. Because Maddux never put anyone on base, his innings often consisted of just three batters instead of four or five, giving him fewer opportunities to record a strikeout each inning. On a percentage basis, though, in-his-prime Maddux was actually a prolific strikeout pitcher.

Take 1995, for instance. Among pitchers who threw just 100 innings — a lower barrier than usual due to the shortened season — Maddux’s 7.77 K/9 ranked just 18th in baseball, in between Jeff Fassero and Mark Gardner. But by K%, which just looks at strikeouts per batter faced, his 23.1% strikeout rate was 5th best in baseball, putting him in a near tie with John Smoltz, who no one considered a pitch-to-contact strike-thrower. In fact, Maddux’s strikeout rate in 1995 was 35% better than the league average, and if you translate that into 2013, his 1995 strikeout rate was essentially equivalent to the K% that Matt Harvey put up last year. 1995 Maddux was 2013 Matt Harvey if he also never walked anyone and gave up the fewest number of home runs in recent baseball history.

i admit that i've been guilty of thinking that K/9 was the fairest way to evaluate pitchers' ability to rack up strikeouts.

http://deadspin.com/revealed-the-hall-of-fame-voter-who-turned-his-ballot-1496558341

dan le batard

dan le batard is the absolute greatest

That's awful about Biggio. I'm sure there'll be enough guilt to push him over next year, but having to go through another 12 months of this. Not the best example, but in general, that's why I'm not a fan of strategic voting--you never know.

how did bagwell do?

Bagwell really dropped, I think--quickly glanced at an article--which is alarming.

Sorry, I was wrong: 59.6 --> 54.3. Put that down to a strong ballot...he'll bounce back, I'm confident, and be in within 2-3 years.

HOF says announcement on which cap Greg Maddux will wear into Cooperstown will be made next week

Greg Maddux 1st 555 97.2%
Tom Glavine 1st 525 91.9%
Frank Thomas 1st 478 83.7%
Craig Biggio 2nd 427 74.8%
Mike Piazza 2nd 355 62.2%
Jack Morris 15th 351 61.5%
Jeff Bagwell 2nd 310 54.3%
Tim Raines 7th 263 46.1%
Barry Bonds 2nd 198 34.7%
Roger Clemens 2nd 202 35.4%
Curt Schilling 2nd 167 29.2%
Mike Mussina 1st 116 20.3%
Edgar Martinez 5th 144 25.2%
Lee Smith 12th 171 29.9%
Alan Trammell 13th 119 20.8%
Jeff Kent 1st 87 15.2%
Fred McGriff 5th 67 11.7%
Mark McGwire 8th 63 11%
Larry Walker 5th 58 10.2%
Sammy Sosa 2nd 41 7.2%
Rafael Palmeiro 4th 25 4.4%
Don Mattingly 14th 47 8.2%
Moises Alou 1st 6 1.1%
Armando Benitez 1st 1 0.2%
Sean Casey 1st 0 0%
Ray Durham 1st 0 0%
Eric Gagne 1st 2 0.4%
Luis Gonzalez 1st 5 0.9%
Jacque Jones 1st 1 0.2%
Todd Jones 1st 0 0%
Paul LoDuca 1st 0 0%
Hideo Nomo 1st 6 1.1%
Kenny Rogers 1st 1 0.2%
Richie Sexson 1st 0 0%
J.T. Snow 1st 2 0.4%
Mike Timlin 1st 0 0%

kent should have been a super gregarious guy or hit bonds harder, he'd maybe have cleared 50%

it's kind of shameful, the totals for some of these players. trammell, martinez, schilling, mussina, and walker esp.

le batard <3 <3 <3

i suspect there were probably a few voters who didn't vote for maddux because they wanted to throw a vote to guys in danger of dropping off the ballot.