hall of fame, next vote...

i'm still iffy on Glavine belonging in the hall to begin with. i'd put Schilling in and possibly Moose ahead of him for sure either way.

glavine deserves it for sure, once he's considered in the context of his era. he was as good as he was in a pretty potent offensive era. he was admittedly not on the same tier as maddux, pedro, johnson, schilling, or clemens though.

good luck usa

maddux, glavine, and thomas

rip jack morris

biggio had 74.8% of the vote

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fuckin ken gurnick

maddux had 97.2%, so there was more than one asshole

rip rafael palmeiro, he got 4.4%

someone voted for jacque jones

can someone link?

armando benitez too

i'm just watching on MLB.com here. piazza had a decent showing. schilling was at 29.2, mussina a bit over 20. sosa, walker, mcgwire, mcgriff, mattingly sticking around for awhile longer.

http://www.bbwaa.com, but it's overwhelmed right now

16 people did not vote for maddux

they should be named and shamed

if i created this custom leaderboard correctly, looks like Maddux started the most double plays ever as a pitcher, at 98

whaddaguy!

along with the 3 managers, that's gonna be a full podium! too many inductees!

this is interesting

And it’s not like he was Bob Tewksbury, just grooving the ball over the plate and hoping for soft contact. While Maddux was not Randy Johnson, his strikeout totals have often been undersold because strikeout rate has often been measured as total strikeouts per nine innings, rather than per batter faced. Because Maddux never put anyone on base, his innings often consisted of just three batters instead of four or five, giving him fewer opportunities to record a strikeout each inning. On a percentage basis, though, in-his-prime Maddux was actually a prolific strikeout pitcher.

Take 1995, for instance. Among pitchers who threw just 100 innings — a lower barrier than usual due to the shortened season — Maddux’s 7.77 K/9 ranked just 18th in baseball, in between Jeff Fassero and Mark Gardner. But by K%, which just looks at strikeouts per batter faced, his 23.1% strikeout rate was 5th best in baseball, putting him in a near tie with John Smoltz, who no one considered a pitch-to-contact strike-thrower. In fact, Maddux’s strikeout rate in 1995 was 35% better than the league average, and if you translate that into 2013, his 1995 strikeout rate was essentially equivalent to the K% that Matt Harvey put up last year. 1995 Maddux was 2013 Matt Harvey if he also never walked anyone and gave up the fewest number of home runs in recent baseball history.

i admit that i've been guilty of thinking that K/9 was the fairest way to evaluate pitchers' ability to rack up strikeouts.

http://deadspin.com/revealed-the-hall-of-fame-voter-who-turned-his-ballot-1496558341

dan le batard

dan le batard is the absolute greatest

That's awful about Biggio. I'm sure there'll be enough guilt to push him over next year, but having to go through another 12 months of this. Not the best example, but in general, that's why I'm not a fan of strategic voting--you never know.

how did bagwell do?

Bagwell really dropped, I think--quickly glanced at an article--which is alarming.

Sorry, I was wrong: 59.6 --> 54.3. Put that down to a strong ballot...he'll bounce back, I'm confident, and be in within 2-3 years.

HOF says announcement on which cap Greg Maddux will wear into Cooperstown will be made next week

Greg Maddux 1st 555 97.2%
Tom Glavine 1st 525 91.9%
Frank Thomas 1st 478 83.7%
Craig Biggio 2nd 427 74.8%
Mike Piazza 2nd 355 62.2%
Jack Morris 15th 351 61.5%
Jeff Bagwell 2nd 310 54.3%
Tim Raines 7th 263 46.1%
Barry Bonds 2nd 198 34.7%
Roger Clemens 2nd 202 35.4%
Curt Schilling 2nd 167 29.2%
Mike Mussina 1st 116 20.3%
Edgar Martinez 5th 144 25.2%
Lee Smith 12th 171 29.9%
Alan Trammell 13th 119 20.8%
Jeff Kent 1st 87 15.2%
Fred McGriff 5th 67 11.7%
Mark McGwire 8th 63 11%
Larry Walker 5th 58 10.2%
Sammy Sosa 2nd 41 7.2%
Rafael Palmeiro 4th 25 4.4%
Don Mattingly 14th 47 8.2%
Moises Alou 1st 6 1.1%
Armando Benitez 1st 1 0.2%
Sean Casey 1st 0 0%
Ray Durham 1st 0 0%
Eric Gagne 1st 2 0.4%
Luis Gonzalez 1st 5 0.9%
Jacque Jones 1st 1 0.2%
Todd Jones 1st 0 0%
Paul LoDuca 1st 0 0%
Hideo Nomo 1st 6 1.1%
Kenny Rogers 1st 1 0.2%
Richie Sexson 1st 0 0%
J.T. Snow 1st 2 0.4%
Mike Timlin 1st 0 0%

kent should have been a super gregarious guy or hit bonds harder, he'd maybe have cleared 50%

it's kind of shameful, the totals for some of these players. trammell, martinez, schilling, mussina, and walker esp.

le batard <3 <3 <3

i suspect there were probably a few voters who didn't vote for maddux because they wanted to throw a vote to guys in danger of dropping off the ballot.

the bbwaa has an aol.com email address

Poor Biggio.

I still can't understand the lack of support for Schilling. Is it just because of the crowded ballot?

probably some combo of the ballot, people not liking schilling, "only" 216 wins, people who think he used a red marker on the sock

How long until the Veterans Committee votes Morris in.

He's eligible again in 2017.

High-character guy! Get 'im in there. (Forgot about this until today, when someone linked to it.)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1136544/index.htm

Many of the barriers facing women sportswriters have fallen, but at least two have not. They are named Jack Morris and Bo Schembechler.

Morris, the Detroit Tiger pitcher, behaved inexcusably before a recent game at Tiger Stadium when Jennifer Frey, a sportswriter intern for the Detroit Free Press, approached him to get some comments for a story on baseball's latest collusion ruling. Before Frey could get out a question, Morris, who was wearing only sliding shorts, snapped, "I don't talk to people when I'm naked, especially women, unless they're on top of me or I'm on top of them." Frey turned and left.

Free Press publisher Neal Shine wrote Schembechler, the Tigers' team president, to complain about Morris's conduct. Schembechler sent back a letter stating that Morris's treatment of Frey was "out of line but predictable," considering that "your intern watched men from 20 to 65 years of age undress and dress for more than half an hour without asking questions." As if that innuendo weren't insulting enough, Schembechler continued, "Your sports editor's lack of common sense in sending a female college intern in a men's clubhouse caused the problem. I really wouldn't doubt that the whole thing was a scam orchestrated by you people to create a story.... [R]est assured no female member of my family would be inside a men's locker room regardless of their job description."

Career Totals:
Player A: 2103 games, 1528 hits, 130 HR, 945 BB, 662 SB, .299 BA, 68.1 WAR
Player B: 2502 games, 1571 hits, 170 HR, 1330 BB, 808 SB, .294 BA, 69.1 WAR

(Both higher than Craig Biggio's career WAR fwiw)

tim raines and....don't know player A.

Kenny Lofton!

(tangent: i was just looking up career stolen base numbers on wikipedia, and saw billy hamilton at #3 and thought it was a joke! never knew there was a 19th century billy hamilton)

You got their runs and hits mixed up.

Just read Verducci's postmortem, and it looks like Thomas will just be an afterthought in all of this--barely mentioned him.

yeah those are runs, not hits. my bad.

key players who didn't make the hall of fame today w/BBR WAR and vote %

Barry Bonds 162.5 - 34.7%
Roger Clemens 140.3 - 35.4%
Mike Mussina 83.0 - 20.3%
Curt Schilling 79.9 - 29.2%
Jeff Bagwell 79.5 54.3%
Larry Walker 72.6 - 10.2%
Rafael Palmeiro 71.8 - 4.4%
Alan Trammell 70.4 - 20.8%
Tim Raines 69.1 - 46.1%
Edgar Martinez 68.3 - 25.2%
Craig Biggio 64.9 - 74.8%
Mark McGwire 62.0 - 11%
Mike Piazza 59.2 - 62.2%
Sammy Sosa 58.4 - 7.2%
Jeff Kent 55.2 - 15.2%
Fred McGriff 52.6 11.7%
Jack Morris 44.1 - 61.5%
Don Mattingly 42.2 - 8.2%
Lee Smith 29.4 - 29.9%

for me - what made Raines great was how infrequently he was thrown out. it's shocking just how efficient he was at swiping bags.

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always feel bad for the guys that get 1 or 2 votes cause maybe some sportswriter just wanted to throw their ballplayer friend some love and they just end up being mocked by everyone

and like even the worst player in MLB will still be among the great ballplayers alive, to play long enough to make it onto the ballot means you were better than that, no need to give jacque jones shit 5 years after he retired

"ballplayers" meaning "the human populace as ballplayers" obv

love le batard