what format?
― Lamp, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link
i guess i am really only interested in limited atm
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
the sam black article that was posted upthread was really good
― iatee, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/generallimited/24692-Draft-The-Cards-You-Want-To-Play.html
this one?
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:48 (ten years ago) link
yeah any of sam black on M13 limited: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/24646_Drafting-M13.html are p good. i remember watching him streaming a lot that summer, it was def helpful in improving how i play/think about limited
― Lamp, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:48 (ten years ago) link
awesome thx dudes
would be nice to read something about Theros on that level
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
this was good iirc though its pretty basic stuff:http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27005_Timing-Your-Removal-Spells-Theros-Limited.html
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:49 (ten years ago) link
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1404
at $75 there's gotta be a fetch or something in here
― iatee, Thursday, 9 January 2014 14:52 (ten years ago) link
given how good these products have been in the past I would guess a $75 deck like this probably contains multiple money rares
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 January 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link
I mean like FTV:20 level
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 January 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link
i was wondering, have the standard equivalent of these been good in the past? this seems like simultaneously both an obvious and weird idea.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 January 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link
holiday cube tonight had me losing to t1 black lotus -> true name nemesis
just wanted to say wow @ this card, it's like they took everything that people disliked about protection and hexproof and evasion and put it all on the same overpowered blue card
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 January 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link
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― ciderpress, Thursday, 9 January 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
yeah true name nemesis is a dumb card that should have never been printed but I drafted and won with it a lot in cube. maybe they want to destroy legacy by adding purposely unfun but strong cards to the mix.
― iatee, Thursday, 9 January 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
i find it really funny how legacy players have always been fine with cards that create unfun uninteractive games like wasteland and show and tell, but suddenly are up in arms when the unfun uninteractive card is explicit about being so
― ciderpress, Thursday, 9 January 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
yeah i've played two legacy events since true name came out, its hardly a less fun card than wasteland
v curious to see whats in the modern event deck. i've spent the last 6 months or so investing in modern staples i mean 'investing' isn't really the right word but i am kinda ambivalent about reprints rn
i saw some people guessing a take on melira pod, which seems like a decent guess because you can do lots of one ofs and birthing pod is obv never getting reprinted in a standard-legal set again. it also allows them a lot of flexibility over how many and which fetches they include
― Lamp, Thursday, 9 January 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link
I have always found land destruction fun, I don't think it's worse than hand disruption really
― iatee, Thursday, 9 January 2014 19:12 (ten years ago) link
doing Cube and the flashback Saga drafts is pretty interesting just to see all the stuff that's been rather subtly phased out of the game. part of me feels like they are tailoring the game a tad to accomodate MTGO.
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 January 2014 19:29 (ten years ago) link
my guess for the modern event deck was BW tokens - its not really a popular tier 1 deck in modern right now but it's playable, easy to pick up, and it explains the inclusion of the 2-sided tokens mentioned in the presser thing (spirits b/w soldiers). i don't think they're gonna do a combo deck and they're also obviuosly not handing out playsets of tarmogoyfs etc so that deck falls in a good spot where they could actually put in enough copies of the exciting cards (marsh flats, thoughtseize, etc) to make the deck playable without causing a panic
― ciderpress, Friday, 10 January 2014 06:32 (ten years ago) link
I think I'm gonna get into Modern soon, the stores here are alternating FNMs between that and Standard, and Modern seems to be drawing a lot of people. I haven't built a new standard deck in nearly 18 months so it kinda sucks to see all my stuff rotate out.
― frogbs, Friday, 10 January 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
modern is in a pretty decent spot right now imo though i wouldn't mind a ban or unban this time around just to shake things up
― ciderpress, Friday, 10 January 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
my question is, how do I make Seance work
― frogbs, Friday, 10 January 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
tokens is also pretty friendly to newer players, doesn't depend on a weird combo or lots of decisions
― iatee, Friday, 10 January 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
also
ban drs unban ancestral visions
the modern ban list:
Ancestral VisionAncient DenBitterblossomBlazing ShoalBloodbraid ElfChrome MoxCloudpostDark DepthsDread ReturnGlimpse of NatureGolgari Grave-TrollGreat FurnaceGreen Sun's ZenithHypergenesisJace, the Mind SculptorMental MisstepPonderPreordainPunishing FireRite of FlameSeat of the SynodSecond SunriseSeething SongSensei's Divining TopStoneforge MysticSkullclampSword of the MeekTree of TalesUmezawa's JitteVault of WhispersWild Nacatl
feel like the 'best' card to unban is ponder most likey idk - bitterblossom? there really arent that many cards on here that couldnt come off except like skullclamp, top and depths. although i have no idea why blazing shoal is banned.
― Lamp, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
infect I think?
― iatee, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link
Please not Skullclamp, that card is so stupid
I don't see why Top needs to be banned but I really dislike that card so I'm fine with that
― frogbs, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
helps combo / makes games take too long
― iatee, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
also if it's not banned counterbalance has to be
yeah top is banned for the same reason second sunrise is banned - no one wants to play against it
― Lamp, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:02 (ten years ago) link
I have top in my edh deck and I always hate when I actually use it
― iatee, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:04 (ten years ago) link
at least w/ edh you can do it on someone else's turn
― iatee, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:05 (ten years ago) link
so is Eggs dead or can you just use the 3W version of Second Sunrise that was printed in one of the recent core sets?
― frogbs, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link
both
― iatee, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/2001/03/23/wizards/
^ of general interest
― Lamp, Friday, 10 January 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
xp there's a playable and possibly good krark-clan ironworks combo deck that's similar to the eggs deck, but it's near impossible to play on MTGO so the list hasn't really had a way to propagate.
i think wild nacatl is the easiest card to unban in modern and a lot of people expect it to happen now that we have another 1-drop in Deathrite that is just as omnipresent as nacatl used to be
blazing shoal is banned because of sam black's deck from PT philadelphia (the first modern PT) which could kill on turn 2 fairly consistently
― ciderpress, Friday, 10 January 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
born of the gods keyword mechanics appear to be:
Inspiration - Whenever ~ untaps, reveal the top card of your library. [do thing based on revealed card]
Tribute N ((As this creature enters the battlefield, an opponent of your choice may put N +1/+1 counters on it.) [some ability that keys off whether tribute was paid]
― ciderpress, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
tribute unfortunately is a variant of the 'punisher mechanic' or so it's called, which tends to make cards look powerful and exciting but play horribly since they are always the worst case scenario of their 'modes' (Vexing Devil being the best recent example, where both halves are way more than you're supposed to get for 1 mana but the card was unplayable)
― ciderpress, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
yeah my first reaction to tribute is 'ignore this text'
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
They're a little different from the other punisher cards in that you still get the creature regardless, you either get creature + effect or big creature, but either way you don't just get nothing like you go when your opponent pays 5 life for Browbeat. Those cards only seemed decent to me in decks that played a lot of burn, where an opponent paying 5 life really was something significant. Given that 5/5+ creatures are difficult to deal with in this Limited format I think cards like Phagarax Giant are going to be interesting there at least. I do think they'll have to really push them to make them playable in Standard but I assume R&D knows that already
― frogbs, Monday, 13 January 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link
also I've been getting into some arguments as to what "devotion for white and blue" means, some ppl locally are saying it means you need 7 white symbols AND 7 blue symbols which to me makes no sense because they'd be nearly impossible to activate. but still I don't know how that card would work with something like Judge's Familiar
― frogbs, Monday, 13 January 2014 14:17 (ten years ago) link
it only counts once
― iatee, Monday, 13 January 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link
also Inspired is just "whenever this untaps, do X", it's not necessarily tied to your top card. at least it explains why they decided to reprint Springleaf Drum
― frogbs, Monday, 13 January 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link
I'm looking forward to drafting around this
http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/bCXl3Zxdwu_EN.jpg
― iatee, Monday, 13 January 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link
that looks like one of those uncommons that always goes late but can wreck people if you draft around it
― ciderpress, Monday, 13 January 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link
yeah if there if there is anything similar to the ths cantrip auras that could be brutal
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 January 2014 15:21 (ten years ago) link
well those will still be available in pack 2&3 of drafts
― ciderpress, Monday, 13 January 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
I guess w/ only one bwtg the chance of getting 2+ of these dudes is not high
― iatee, Monday, 13 January 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
stupid theros