Films that are so unhinged you're not sure whether they are disasters or masterpieces (or both)

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Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Babe: Pig in the City is great, better than the original, it's alot more like Delicatessen and City of Lost Children than it like any other children's movies.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

your description of L'Humanité as a slow-tempo, realistic movie really did make me laugh, though are you sure you watched it closely? I loved Tony Raynes' Sight and Sound review where he describes it as a film that dares to go as far beyond realism as The Matrix.

Well, I guess it's unrealistic if you define the standard Hollywood cinema as "realistic". Sure, the mood is far off your ordinary blockbuster, but I wouldn't still call it unhinged.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

no Tuomas, that's not my definition of realism and nor is it Raynes', he's saying that L"Humaité is as far fetched, as UNREALISTIC, as "The Matrix" (i assume he chose that film because it came out the same year as the Dumont film but they do both question what is "reality" and what isn't albeit in very different ways). maybe your definiton of "slow moving realism" can encompass a scene where a detective rubs his face against his interogatee's for a good 2 or 3 minutes then gives him a long kiss on the mouth? or when he levitates a metre into the air while standing completely still on his allotment? the fact that the WTF!? moments happen after long periods of near inaction don't make them less "unhinged" but more. it's a much more extreme film than a superficially "crazy" one like Fear and Loathing...

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

something that's of-the-wall either stylistically (like Fear and Loathing)

There's nothing off the wall stylisitically about this movie -- the style is very concrete and consistent. the content is off the wall.

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway....

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jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

JD OTM re WTBR (#25)

truck-patch pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

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(the thoroughly perplexing 1973 remake, not the Capra oroginal)

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Performance fits this pretty well.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

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gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd mention schizopolis if it wasn't clearly a masterpiece (or at least i think it is).

spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

It's easily his best film...

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it's soderbergh's best too, but i'm guessing that everyone didn't start quoting it (mostly "generic greeting!") after one viewing like i did.

spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

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Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

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Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

John Boorman owns this thread, Excalibur could be on here too.

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

or when he levitates a metre into the air while standing completely still on his allotment?

Hmm, it's been six years since I saw L'Humanité, I don't remember any levitation. Should probably rewatch it. Anyway, the impression it gave me then was that of extreme mundaneness crossed with some eccentric characters (and I though it's greatness was exactly in the sort poesy of the mundane), not of particular surrealism.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 07:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yawn totally on it with possession. i'm still not sure how i feel about that movie.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously, did ANYONE love/get Eyes Wide Shut?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

haven't seen it in a while but I loved it

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, yeah. seriously

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
ew, are you fuckin' kidding?! Even looking at the dvd cover upthread gave me the heebie-geebies. God, I was just about to have lunch too. Are there two more sexless actors in Hollywood than those two?
And may I suggest 'Get Crazy' for masterpiece/disaster.

dr lulu (dr lulu), Friday, 14 April 2006 04:38 (eighteen years ago) link

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Even Dwarfs Start Small. Werner Herzog. I mean, the chap's average output is hardly run of the mill, but this EDSS is so off the wall it's on the other side of the room. Dwarfs can be quite unnerving anyway, but when they're destryoing stuff and laughing maniacly for 5 minutes while watching a camel take a shit, it goes beyong unnerving and enters the realm of horrific. The box says it's a surreal masterpiece, and I suppose it is, but did it have to be THAT weird? I can generally tell whether I think a film's brilliant or rubbish, but with this one, I really can't. Which makes it brilliant, I guess.

Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Friday, 14 April 2006 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link

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I highly reccomend these movies. Such a laughable attempt. Not really boring, becuase they are so laughable.

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Friday, 14 April 2006 06:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Putney Swope!
Bamboozled is confirmed shit but it has the seeds of like 20 masterpieces, maddening.


I agree stuff like Fear and Loathing are pretty cut and dry. I used to think Natural Born Killers was on the cusp of this 'genre'; I watched it once and thought it was just a broad tacky temper tantrum of a film. The 2nd time I thought the same thing except I liked it instead of disliked it. Nothing much to figure out though.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 14 April 2006 06:59 (eighteen years ago) link


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