Please talk about: "Buffalo Stance" by Neneh Cherry

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i think wild bunch did a couple tracks on 'raw like sushi': bristol p-punk-trip hop 'nuum represent: neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

N_RQ, Friday, 20 May 2005 07:20 (eighteen years ago) link

the first cd i ever owned (c1990).

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i think wild bunch did a couple tracks on 'raw like sushi': bristol p-punk-trip hop 'nuum represent: neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

Geoff Barrow (Portishead) did a couple of tracks on Homebrew too.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:48 (eighteen years ago) link

3D wrote 'Manchild' fyi

$V£N! (blueski), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:18 (eighteen years ago) link

3D co-wrote it. Geoff Barrow did one track on "Homebrew" the sublime "Somedays".

jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

neneh is the missing link between pop group and tricky.

And being Neneh has done stuff with The Slits, and Gangstarr was featured on Homebrew also, we really could do a six degrees of Neneh thing.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link


http://www.skysaw.org/onu/artists/personnel/nenehcherry.html


mark e (mark e), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

For some reason, not necessarily musical, Buffalo Stance reminds of Oran Juice Jones - The Rain.


This is sort of creepy, because I got both of these songs from the iTunes store at the same time a couple of months ago - I had both of them stuck in my head and hadn't head either in years.

joygoat (joygoat), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Buffalo Stance and The Rain are two of my all time favourite songs! How weird. Long after I stopped listening to the vast majority of my albums on tape, I still dug out Raw Like Sushi quite regularly. I only bought it on CD last year, thanks to Fopp's lovely fiver section.

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

(The Rain reminds me of my friends all sitting round the college canteen saying AND HIM in stupid voices and pissing ourselves laughing. We did similarly with 'My name is Prince and I am UGLY' whenever a BOY walked past.)

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I think of The Rain as being Drum Machine + synths in an R&B song; one that crossed over to the Hip-Hop market thanks to its attitude.

I think of Buffalo Stance as a urban hippie-esque dance song based mostly around samples that tried to cross over to the Hip-Hop crowd, but came off as a more black version of Groove is in the Heart.

I also differentiate greatly between mid 80's and late 80's urban music thanks to the invention of Emu's sp1200.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Granted, Groove is in the Heart came later I think...

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks to its attitude

Oran "Juice" Jones had the crazy gansterrific persona. I think my favorite part of The Rain might be ad libs at the end. "You're just a squirrel looking for nut!"

Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"Cameron McVey (who Neneh later married)."

He produced (or co?) the first Sugababes record, no?

I was obsessed with Neneh during my teenage years. OBSESSED. I would gawk at the cd booklet for an hour while listening to the record...

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Miss Thang's "Thunder & Lightening" to thread.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i still play the album but i've never liked buffalo stance
i love "manchild" - it was my fave single for that year.
"heart" was great
"inner city mama" was good.

then "7 seconds " was brilliant.
wasn't "trout "with michael (REM) stipe ?

inner city papa, Friday, 20 May 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

If I remember correctly it was originally a B-side for the group Morgan McVey. I'd love to hear that version. Anyone have it? Probably not...

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I do, but on vinyl, not any kind of easily-postable form

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Also, Arthur Baker and Kevin Saunderson remixes on the b-side of the 12"? Utter classic, especially the "1/2 Way 2 House Mix" which makes me nostalgic for an era I was scarcely alive for!

owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, I need to hear this song again, seriously. I can't even remember how it goes at all, but I bought it at the time (on a 'cassingle' no less). I came across Raw Like Sushi in the Trouser Press Record Guide the other day and thought about how it really seemed like a lot of folks flipped over that record. It seemed like it was on everyone's fave albums of the year list, whatever year that was. I'm sure not everyone liked it of course, but this is how I remember it.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I always associate Buffalo Stance and Rain with Coldcut's Stop This Crazy thing, don't know why - they were probably all out at roughly the same time

m3ntal1st, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Probably one of the best synth hooks ever!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:33 (seventeen years ago) link

With the new reissue of Red Hot + Blue, it's worth putting in a good word for her hip-hop version of "I've Got You Under My Skin".

It takes some courage to do a blank-verse rap like the "Smokin', no cokin'" section, then going all Tracy Ullman with the imitation cockney accents.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I hated this for a long time and then a couple years ago listened to it and was blown away. Now I have no idea how I feel about it. It's undeniable on some level but felt amazingly corny and dated at the time to me. (I was no futurist in 1989, either.) But it's also totally exuberant and ultimately I think that tips me back into the "like" category, at least a little.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm always awed by the reassuring simplicity of a couplet like "no money man can win my love / it's sweetness that I'm thinking of."

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember when it came out it seemed like one of those inpenetetrably British novelty hits, with the Bomb The Bass cameo and, again, the Cockney voices - I felt a little left out of what it meant or why it was good, except during all-ages nights at The Underground in the U District.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I once had a nightmare that my copy of this had split into several pieces inside the sleeve, it was horrible!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 06:03 (seventeen years ago) link

TOTAL.
FUCKING.
CLASSIC.

makes me yearn for a nostalgic look back into the early 90's.
cross colors.
fades.
an urban youth i didn't have.
and i STILL love this song...

eedd, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

too bad her dad's dead.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), May 19th, 2005 11:42 AM. (hstencil) (link)

Read: I am aware that her dad is a notable jazz musician and would like to show off this fact.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Raw Like Sushi was #5 in 1989's P&J poll.

In the summer of '89 this, "Me, Myself & I," and all those wonderful Fine Young Cannibals seemed to herald a real Daisy Age. I don't hear the song enough to get tired of it. The synth squiggle-hook is marvelous, and so is the bit about the gigolo, and almost everything about the chorus. So, ok, I'll say classic.

The followup, "Kisses On the Wind," is not as memorable but for some reason is a better song, if that makes sense.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I was listening to this just today, only to log on to ILM and find a resurrected thread about it! It's like you've read my mind, people. One of my favourite songs of all time, at least to dance to. Reminds me of going in Charlie's in Manchester on a Friday night, only they don't seem to play it anymore, which is a shame. Not that big on the album, but Buffalo Stance is a stone-cold classic. Brilliant vocal, great synth line and, as was said upthread, endearingly piss-poor scratching.

"Wot is 'ee loike!"

yer mam! (yer mam!), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Last time I heard this song was a week and a half ago, shouted on a public street by several gay Canadians.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

How do you know they were Canadian?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

thoughts, apropos of nothing:

Nenah retreated from music when she contracted Lyme disease...I think Daryl Hall also had lyme disease...I don't think John Oates did...

the phrase "Raw Like Sushi" was borrowed from Big Daddy Kane...

Benjamin Diamond covered "The Rain", sans the end rap (which really makes the original: "my first thought was to pull a Rambo on ya..but instead, I chilled...yeah, that's right...I chilled")

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

How do you know they were Canadian?

I was in Canada and was hanging out with them.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

GIGALO!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

"Read: I am aware that her dad is a notable jazz musician and would like to show off this fact."

Stepdad!

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I've got a Colette CD sitting around (Thrill of Colette, decent mix of out/electronic pop tracks) with "Buffalo Stance (Electro Ski Mix)"- no idea who's responsible for the remix, but it's nice enough. Email me if anyone wants to hear it (it's in iTunes' .m4a format; I'm in the process of deleting my old album rips and redoing them as VBR mp3s but haven't gotten around to this one yet).

Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

'Raw Like Sushi was #5 in 1989's P&J poll.'
That would make the LP Overrated in my book. I like Buffalo better than anything else on the album.

'In the summer of '89 this, "Me, Myself & I," and all those wonderful Fine Young Cannibals seemed to herald a real Daisy Age.'

Yes, when you look at a year end list for '89, Neneh and FYC stand out as sort of a last great vintage 80s pop which i can't think of an equivalent of in the early 90s. They are "so '89" in the best way!

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder what Neneh's stance on the buffalo is now, all these years later. I think she'll be indifferent towards them. Not as bothered as she used to be.

Johnny Jarvis, Friday, 12 May 2006 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

The A-side of the remix 12" beat-mixed very nicely with "The 900 Number".

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

That is sounding very OTM in my head right now.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Carlos Keith is OTM

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

no-style rookie

xero (xero), Friday, 12 May 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

w-w-w-wait, i never considered it could be hyphenated! *head reels*

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I never considered it could be un-hyphenated! *staggers*

xero (xero), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i always really liked this song, but damn what was the deal with those inexplicably awkward dancers in the video? you know, the frowny one in (i think) the short white dress and hat and that other one. they were great!

Kim (Kim), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

does anyone have a link to the music video?

bagenius, Sunday, 14 May 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Upon hearing this again, I can't say I'm exactly overwhelmed with awe. I'm sure it sounded great in the context of that time, but it seems like there's a lot more stuff today that sounds just like it, which kindof strips it of the power it had. I kind of like the New Order-esque outro, though.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...
This song fucking rules. It has a kind of unusual arrangement for a pop song.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 26 January 2007 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

This song would seem impossible to re-interpret, but then I would have said the same thing about "Accordion"

Cherry Thing was ten years ago!

bendy, Monday, 7 March 2022 15:00 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

The Versions, 10 covers, collaborative project of female artists, out June 10, according to Republic Records Media:
Tracklisting:
Buffalo Stance (Robyn feat. Mapei)
Manchild (feat. Sia)
Woman (feat. ANOHNI)
Buddy X (feat. Greentea Peng)
Kootchi (feat. Jamila Woods)
Sassy (feat. TYSON)
Heart (feat. Sudan Archives)
Kisses On The Wind (feat. Seinabo Sey)
Manchild (feat. Kelsey Lu)
Buddy X (Honey Dijon Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT1egmJkP0s

dow, Thursday, 28 April 2022 14:35 (two years ago) link

Was excited about the prospect of a new Neneh Cherry album, but I doubt I need this. The Robyn cover, as noted upthread, was meh.

Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Thursday, 28 April 2022 14:49 (two years ago) link


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