Black Panther HEARTS Storm

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I am having a chip on my shoulder which makes me view Tuomas's first question as one he already has an answer to. This chip is partly caused by the Hooters nonsense over on the main board. Also I would have thought that a post like

Luke is marrying a WHITE WOMAN!
-- David R. (quoteidio...), February 1st, 2006. (popshots75`) (later)

might stand out on a casual flick through the thread.

Matthew I was going to say that's nowhere near true about Storm, but then I realised that my exposure to the Xmen over the last five years has been X-Statix and the Morrison/Whedon cast, so I've not really seen her at all.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

also I should have worked the phrase "Sorry, Tuomas" in there somewhere :)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm gonna move the X-TEAM OH NO POST I would've put here to the MAMMOMAX thread.

Mammomax.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Andrew, Storm was pretty much the central character in the X-Men for most of the 80s, and has been co-leader with Cyclops forever. She was Claremont's pet character, and remained so until she was taken away from him recently for this Black Panther debacle. Though the character has always been a major character, it seems like no one really knew what to do with her after Claremont's departure in the early 90s. Maybe this is because Claremont really did quite a lot with her in his original run, but it could just be that no one ever bothered to try. Lord knows that if I ever had a shot at writing the X-Men, I'd love to make Storm an interesting, likeable character again. Stepping away from the GODDESS QUEEN stuff would be a good start.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

for most of the 80s,

Er.... (I'm being unfair, but still you see my point?)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link

claremont has got a sketch bk where he gets artists to draw topless pics of storm for him

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 2 February 2006 09:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Blimey, that Kirby run really looks like something:

http://www.comics.org/covers.lasso?SeriesID=2387

The post-Kirby issues look insanely dull. It must be quite a comedown after finding King Solomon's Frog and hanging with the Black Muskateers to end up back in boring old Manhattan fighting boring old Klaw with the boring old Avengers.

chap who would dare to no longer work for the man (chap), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I'm so mad about this. Just because they are BLACK doesn't mean they need to be together. What kind of crap is that?

In fact, I don't even like the new direction everything is going in. At this rate I might even have to stop reading X-men at the comic book stores anymore.

Mad, Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope its sunny at their wedding.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Senor X-Axis gave it a begrudging thumbs up!

As for those 3 post-Kirby Panther books - Jerry Bingham & Gene Day on the art can't be all bad, but ED HANNIGAN?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

What's wrong with Ed Hannigan? He was great on the Green Arrow vs. thirtysomething transmedium crossover.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Ed Hannigan WRITING?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm gonna guess, on the writer continuum, he's somewhere between Bob Hall & Al Milgrom.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Say, wouldn't Storm be somewhat more sympathetic to Magneto's speciesism? She was a GODDESS, after all.

c(''c) (Leee), Saturday, 4 March 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think - to resurrect an old argument upthread - that there shd be MORE interaction between the X-Men and the MU, not less. The 'mutant universe' of the 90s was k-lame, they are Marvel characters through and through. But then my first encounter w/the X-Men was Secret Wars, so...

Tom (Groke), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

This isn't exactly a counter-argument, but their use in Secret Wars did depend on them being not well-known to the rest of the MU -- which isn't something you can sustain for twenty years without gimmick fatigue.

And if anything, wasn't the interaction between the many mutant comics of the 90s and the rest of the Marvel universe characterized not by segregation but by forced bussing?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, "Onslaught" really isn't a good model for the kind of interaction I'd like to see.

But during the 80s heyday there would be plenty of MU cameos without it ever overwhelming the books - Cloak and Dagger in New Mutants being a good example, and the whole (excellent) Asgard storyline was of course steeped in Marvelism.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm all for that if they can keep it at that -- it sort of parallels previous DC discussions, in that I'm glad Batman is in the Justice League, but I don't want to have to deal with invading Martians in Detective or Gotham politics in JLA.

I have a lot of problems with the mutant persecution angst coexisting with the Avengers and Captain America (particularly the 80s/90s incarnations thereof, who weren't meant to be morally flawed), and with those non-mutant heroes paying nothing but lip service to mutant "tolerance." It's the kind of thing that seems like it would be explained forty years later by Henry Peter Gyrich having the Spear of Destiny.

But I don't like that aspect of the X-books to begin with, so nix or downplay that and I think the neighborhoods can get along just fine.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.proudrobot.com/hembeck/blacklightning.html

Fred Hembeck:

I will say that I created Black Lightning after convincing DC not to publish another "black" super-hero on which they had started work. The Black Bomber was a white bigot who, in times of stress, turned into a black super-hero. This was the result of chemical camouflage experiments he'd taken part in as a soldier in Vietnam. The object of these experiments was to allow our [white] troops to blend into the jungle.

In each of the two completed Black Bomber scripts, the white bigot risks his own life to save another person whom he can't see clearly (in one case, a baby in a stroller) and then reacts in racial slur disgust when he discovers that he risked his life to save a black person. He wasn't aware that he had two identities, but each identity had a girlfriend and the ladies were aware of the change. To add final insult, the Bomber's costume was little more than a glorified basketball uniform.

kenchen, Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

It's actually Tony Isabella by way of Fred Hembeck.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link


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